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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab
I think you guys are missing point.
It's the surprise and planning advantage that the bad guys have over you. Look past the clothing, stage and arena. Look at the amount of time they have to react. These where people with loaded weapons on them and they could not react in time. The ones that did missed or would have shot an innocent.
Do you seriously think you are going to have a chance if someone kicks door the front door and you are sitting down for dinner or in bed asleep. Maybe you have your back turned and your loading groceries into your SUV. If you are truly a law abiding citizen your firearm is in the safe locked up and ammo out of chamber.
My point and message is you do not have an advantage what so ever and don't leave yourself open as a victim. Be aware and listen to that voice in your head telling you something's off with the group of teenagers walking down the street towards you, that car that keeps driving past the house or the strange peps that come to your door asking for donations.
Do not assume you can be a hero. Protect yourself and haulass to safety. Who do you think the first target is going to be? The guy fighting back or the guy standing up to shoot back.
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That's called "The Nike Defense"....
I agree with you on some points and totally disagree on other points.
If you were a CC guy and wearing - and you're at the mall and a shooting breaks out... I'd prefer to "have a fighting chance" of stopping the guy.
If I'm on the side of the road - and have my Kimber locked and loaded - and I go to bed "EXPECTING" someone to try to mess with my stuff or bust in... I have a fighting chance. And I feel infinitely better.
So I think most of us are torn between trying to do something if it ever came to that - rather than just being a helpless victim.
In the case where you're sitting at the movie and some azzwipe comes in blasting... agree -- not good odds, but you never know!
Walking down the street -- after having dinner downtown -- the odd group of young men acts rowdy and suspicious and disruptive.... having a CC on my hip would make me feel INFINITELY better ---- and if they passed you and then turned on you (you'd have already had that peak awareness going) just "showing" you're armed would probably be enough to persuade them to hassle someone else. Either way - I'd still FEEL better. The key here is awareness and avoidance (crossing the street -- trying to keep your distance -- ducking into an open business until they pass). I'd still have my strap off and my hand on the grip.
Sound asleep - some cat burglar is already in the house... and you suddenly awake... if he has bad intentions -- you're probably already dead or injured... BUT if he's just a burglar and you yell out "I have a gun... get the f out of my house" and slide one in the chamber... my guess is HE does the Nike defense....
When you talk to cops -- some go 30 years without ever having drawn on anyone -- and they're put in a bad position every day! So the odds of "us" ever having an armed confrontation are next to zero. I've managed to go almost 60 years without having one!

If I lived somewhere other than where I do -- I might even have the Kimber in the bedroom but I've just never felt the need. I live in "Pleasantville"... the bad guys are on the other side of the lake -- or way south of me.
There was a shooting the other night at a night club here -- long story -- by a known murderer... and you know what happened? They closed the place and announced they wouldn't reopen.
Nothing good happens after midnight....