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Old 10-29-2009, 10:27 AM
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I also just noticed you're interested in building a 60s styled custom. I think you might not find much info here in regards to that. You might want to check out the traditional rod and custom forums like the HAMB.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

They cater to and specialize in traditional cars, just be sure not to mention the LSX powerplant as they can be sticklers over there about tradition
Hold on! Don't paint me as a grandpa yet (that should not happen for at least another 7 years - I hope) No, not looking for a 60's style custom but a 60's mild custom. I love the pro tour look and the efficiency and power of the LS1 not to mention the fun of the 6 speed. I will be going with 17's to 20' and as wide as I can stuff under it and drop it 3 to 4 inches. I would love for it to handle like my '98 WS6 TA but that would really take some money.

The point of my post is this: if I can only gain a 20% gain in handling after spending $2500 to $3500 I don't think I would do it. This 64 Shylark is the same chassis as the chevelle 64 through 67 so there is much available for it.
I just want to do what makes sense.

Came with coils in the rear, not leafs. Would coil overs be worth it? Would that reduce wheel hop for the occasional lead foot?

Would it be worthwhile to cut out the top of the spring towers in front to mount taller coilovers up there?

I'm just looking for the best bang for my limited buck. There's a lot for show but how much is really for go?
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:37 AM
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Hold on! Don't paint me as a grandpa yet (that should not happen for at least another 7 years - I hope) No, not looking for a 60's style custom but a 60's mild custom. I love the pro tour look and the efficiency and power of the LS1 not to mention the fun of the 6 speed. I will be going with 17's to 20' and as wide as I can stuff under it and drop it 3 to 4 inches. I would love for it to handle like my '98 WS6 TA but that would really take some money.

The point of my post is this: if I can only gain a 20% gain in handling after spending $2500 to $3500 I don't think I would do it. This 64 Shylark is the same chassis as the chevelle 64 through 67 so there is much available for it.
I just want to do what makes sense.

Came with coils in the rear, not leafs. Would coil overs be worth it? Would that reduce wheel hop for the occasional lead foot?

Would it be worthwhile to cut out the top of the spring towers in front to mount taller coilovers up there?

I'm just looking for the best bang for my limited buck. There's a lot for show but how much is really for go?
I'd talk to Marcus at SC&C. He won't try to sell you on anything, but will give you an idea what works and how much it costs. My guess (not an A body guy) is that you can do a lot for a lot less than $2,500. You can also visit his site by clicking on his sponsoship logo on the left of the screen.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:59 PM
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Okay guys, I'm impressed with all of your insight and have learned a lot. To answer some questions... I'm a mechanical/manufacturing engineer of 25 years and jack of all trades EXCEPT BODY WORK no patience! I can fab whatever is needed and love turning the hobby wrench. The car is a convertible so it does have some additional stiffness already. Yes, it will be a daily driver and there are no road courses by me nor is that my intent. Yes, my 98 Trans Am handles incredibly but I don't need to get there with this car.

What it comes down to is that I don't know enough about this era of car to know where the money is best spent concerning the suspension but I don't want to tear up tires or be bottoming out all the time either. So many suppliers and products. I will make the calls to the contacts you recommended.

I would love to hear from a few early A body guys, what you did, cost.... benefit... What would be considered necessary and what would be a waste.

You've given me much to think about and I have much to learn!!

Thanks to all!!!
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:37 PM
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I'll just apologize in advance.... http://www.detroitspeed.com/productp..._6472abody.htm Dse stuff is top of the line and will get you right where you want to be...

Yeah, that is some nice stuff to say the least and I could really see it on the car...........someday. I'll have 10 g wrapped up in it as is. Wife, four kids you know.... got to find some middle ground.

Nice stuff though.
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Hmm, sounds like your budget is the major factor. Priorities are a sound way to build a car. If money was no object then you wouldnt be asking here, you would just go with all the top of the line parts and mods that Im sure you have already researched.

But thats not very realistic, cause we ALL have a budget. So you want the most bang for the buck.

Well, I like to start outward. The wheels. If you get too ahead of yourself, and put in some parts just to find out you are limited on the wheel/tire package it gets old.

So think about the look, yeah, yer not asking about looks. But you should think about the look. For example if you are gonna try and stuff a 8" wheel on the front after you did some mods and it rubs the fenders then you will be back asking how to fit the wheels.

Start with the wheels you want to use, you may already have them. If they are stock then you prolly dont. If they are 6" wheels then you will build up the front and think hey, some wider meats on the road will really help all the mods I did, may be too late. The tires ARE a critical suspension component. Think about those first.

So anyway. Yer prolly not gonna modify the car alot from what I see. So Im thinking the stock control arms are gonna be saved.

If so, if you are looking to keep the stock suspension I would look at an entire rebuild of it. All the wear items. Bushings, steering gear (all the joints, the arms are still good), ball joints. If there is a roll bar new bushings all around. If there isnt a RB then one should be put in.

The steering gear box should be replaced with a modified piece.

After you remove and replace ALL the consumable items from the front end you should do the same with the rear end.

After ALL the original suspension components have been refreshed, including new springs and decent shocks you will see the price tag is still gonna be up there. And I didnt even talk about a brake upgrade. That should be a focus also.

The car will handle so much better than it does now. But it still wont be great, it will be firm and controllable. A nice street car really... And thats what it looks like you want, a nice street car that is fun to drive.

The limiting point is the alignment. You might be held back with the 60s alignment. Meaning you cant take advantage of some decent caster numbers and god forbid stuck with a positive camber number.

And thats one of the reasons folks go with aftermarket arms on a street car, to get a better alignment, more suited to the bigger tires that can handle the loads that the skinnies of the 60s could not.

So Im back to tires. They are the ending result for any suspension work. Keeping the tires on the ground. Even luxo boats like a large cadillaic can feel great at speed on the street, cause they keep the tire on the road.

IMO a street car has the best setup when the driver is comfortable driving it. The steering is solid (doesn't feel like an old truck). The suspension handles the bumps without pushing the car around. And the brakes are dependable and predictable....

Predictable cars are more fun to drive then a car that makes you think OH CRAP, is this stop or turn gonna work.

So anyway. Im going on and on, it friday Having a beer and smoking a cheap cigar..

My point, look at what you want from the car, you already have a corner turner (the 98). Ya want decent stopping, solid steering, good tracking, and a lil more performance. IMO I would work with what you have and replace ALL the wear items. Thats bushings, shocks and springs, steering box and movable links. All of them. Anything that moves in relation to another part, consumables. Front and rear. With taht some additional components that might not be there now, like a roll bar (front and rear) and decent brakes (front and rear..

You do all that and you will spend some money..

But if you need the extra alignment flexibility then some control arms are in the pic too. One of the best improvements in steering (if your steering gear is solid) is some additional caster. Even with a sloppy spring setup and no roll bar. Its all about the feel for a street car. If you can steer a pig (heavy car, weak springs) into a turn and it feels solid then thats a good thing, it feels soild. And a high degree of caster will get you some camber gain. Tires on the road in a turn. Hmmm, dont know why I keep talking about the tires.

If the tires are planted, even though the car body feels like its over by 7 degrees then you are driving. Street car guys..

New bushings, springs, shocks, steering gear, ball joints and ya might make a fun car. JR
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:35 PM
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Try www.classicperform.com

I used all of they're products on my A-Body (Tubular upper and lower control arms, Tubular Trailing arms, Front and Rear Disk brakes and booster/master cylinder, 2 in drop spindles and 3 in rear lowering spings) I also bought QA-1 coil over adjustables and Hotchkis sway bars. All at a very affordable price being that the aftermarket for suspension can be very expensive.

My Chevelle handles like my 09 Lexus is350 and stops almost as well.

They're products may not be for you and im sure everyone on this site has an opinion on what the "best" is but if you lookin for quality and affordability this is your place.

Ask Jason at Gearhead Garage. He said my car "drives way better than he expected" LOL

Ill take that as a compliment.

Good luck with your project.

P.S. look for the classic performance parts ebay store for a lil' better price than they're website

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I don't really have anything to add that hasn't been said already. Most of the major suspension companies, and a few of the smaller ones, make a myriad of parts that will fit your car. I would suggest checking out Jason Rushforth's build thread on HIS 64 Skylark. There are lots of great pictures and he is pretty detailed. https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=21361

Also, you might check out this thread about the same car once it was done. https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=22550


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Old 11-18-2009, 06:33 PM
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You all have helped me learn a lot but it will be hard making the final descision on the suspension thats for sure. I've dumped in a fair amount of dough already and have barely started.

More Newbie questions. What does PT style car stand for? Like I said before, I've been into street rods and customs but didn't know this latest craze of the car hobby had taken off like it has. Guys dump a ton of money in these cars. Where do they normally go to sell them? I guess I'm wondering how much return one gets on their investment down the road. Not that I'm looking to get it all back but when a guys builds a streetrod or custom he had some idea what certian models and features will mean for reasale down the road. Yes! I am in it for the love of the hobby but the money tree in my yard gets picked over more every day by my teenagers.

Next question. I picked up an 02 Z28 LS1 6 speed for the donor. I know the traditional small block very well but I'm so impressed with the LS motor that I couldn't wait to build a car with one. I would love to have personal correspondense with someone who has done a few of these swaps before. It would help a ton. I should start another thread posing such a question or would I be better off on an LS1 forum?

Thanks Gene
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:17 PM
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Although i love this site for all it has to offer, i would check out the "conversions and hybrids" thread at www.ls1tech.com that thread can answer almost any question you have on an LSX swap.
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More Newbie questions. What does PT style car stand for? Like I said before, I've been into street rods and customs but didn't know this latest craze of the car hobby had taken off like it has. Guys dump a ton of money in these cars. Where do they normally go to sell them? I guess I'm wondering how much return one gets on their investment down the road. Not that I'm looking to get it all back but when a guys builds a street-rod or custom he had some idea what certain models and features will mean for resale down the road.
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I don't know that there is enough of a history to really give an accurate answer to your question of resale value. It really just depends on the buyer. I can say with a certainty that Pro-Touring is not going to go away. The concept of driving a car instead of staring at it seems like a no-brainer to me but more and more people are catching on. Many cars, like yours, can be extensively upgraded with parts that will allow it to be returned to stock. That keeps the value high.

Now, if you call up one of the superstar builders and hand him a blank check you are going to lose your behind when you go to sell the car but that's a different story.

A lot of the questions you will ask have been answered before. Take some time and look around; I know it's hard to resist reading stuff that isn't relevant so it will probably take a while.
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