Cable drive or fly-by-wire

[CreepinDeth]

Originally Posted by coolwelder62

Jimi;Why do you use one of the new Toyota drive by wire TB & gas pedal.

I'll never own a death by wire newer vehicle.
I don't like a computer controlling my throttle. No thanks.

I'll keep all my cars drive by cable for as long as I can.
I know all newer vehicles use DBW now, but I really just want NOTHING to do with it.

[coolwelder62]

Jimi I was joking about the Toyota thing.I like you man.But when you drove my car at the kc goodguys it has a DBW. TB. in it. The GM stuff is safe it's made in USA!!!!.

[frank]

The motor purchased from Fesler came with the DBW throttle body so I just kept that one. By the way, it was cheaper going that route because I found a complete kit that will run an LS3 for cheap..........how cheap.........$1000 shipped and it includes: engine harness, ECU, throttle pedal, pedal harness, MAF, oxygen sensors, and weld on bungs for oxy sensors. I know it sounds too good to be true but I ordered it already, paid for it already, and anxiously waiting for the UPS guy to knock on my door tomorrow!

[Bow Tie 67]

Originally Posted by 98ssnova

Might have to switch to DBW but that means i would need a new ECU correct I have one out of my 98ss camaro?

Correct, E67 or E38 ecu plus new harness and 58 tooth reluctor.

As far as easy cruise control, last I checked the verdict is still out on the GMPP E67 ecu's. They are custom calibrations from the factory.

[69MyWay]

I've done both. After been there done that X4 - I go with the DBW everytime.

Why?

1. you can stuff a lot larger cam in there and with the right tune it won't stall or hunt for idle like the alternative as there is much more control available than just the screw set and idle air motor found in the dbc.

2. CRUISE CONTROL - with a complete DBW, all you have to do is hook any old or new GM column mount cruise switch up and you are good to go. It is that simple.

3. CLEANER - the pedal takes up a little more space, but no cable to run or adjust or look at. You will have wires going to the t/b no matter what - so what is the big deal of adding two more (that is all that is needed to power the motor - all the other sensors/switches are fairly identical in number to the dbc on the i/a and tps sensors).

4. It is THE thing - dbc is so.....10 years ago.

5. Issues have been ironed out - seems like all the aftermarket harness guys have a handle on this now - and there is ample info out there. you can run into some problems as all DBW gm parts are not the same. In other words, a truck throttle body and Corvette are different - so if it is an early DBW, the TAC module has to match the parts being used making mix and match harder. In the current gen of DBW, it is more simple as there is no TAC module, but the t/b and pedal still have to match up. So...a little more homework is needed but once the right stuff is there - you are golden.

[Ron in SoCal]

So if I have an L92 complete (2007), do I keep the pedal and TB that came with it? I was wondering if that TB will have the performance I am looking for. I need to change the intake to an LS3 style.

[Stuart Adams]

By wire.

[69MyWay]

Originally Posted by flash911

So if I have an L92 complete (2007), do I keep the pedal and TB that came with it? I was wondering if that TB will have the performance I am looking for. I need to change the intake to an LS3 style.

Is your L92 out of a Caddi SUV? What intake is on there now?

[Jimi-FM3]

Originally Posted by 69MSA

Wow guys, I'm a bit surpised you would wish a Toyota drive-by-wire assembly on Jimi, I always though people around here liked the guy.

Anyway, Jimi, did you order the engine as Turnkey's basic package, or sans wiring and everything else they typically throw in with the package? I know they generally use a cable throttle body with their engines, which are setup with with Delphi ECMs, so if you're getting everything from Turnkey, then it might be easiest to go the cable route, although since they use Delphi ECMs the choice is probably yours.

I just spent last week really learning to drive with Corvettes out at Bondurant and was quite happy with the drive-by-wire gas pedal, then again I'm pretty use to those types of pedals as I have one in my Mustang. In my opinion they definitely have a different feel than cables.

Matt

Thanks for the props Matt, I thought these guys we're my buddies!!

No sweat, it's all taken in good fun - and thanks to everyone for your opinions and logic. To answer a couple of questions, the motor is coming from Turn Key, but it's not out of their stock, this deal is a little out of the ordinary, so I'm getting the motor without TB, ECU or harness. I'm leaning towards DBW because I like the clean install and tunability, and it just seems to me to be the most up-to-date system. I don't like to be on the bleeding edge of certain developments, but I agree that this one seems to be worked out by GM and most of the aftermarket producers.

Just a side note, I have to laugh as we discuss the issue of cruise control - who would have thought, even 5 years ago, that cruise control would be something important to all of us??!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by 69MyWay

Is your L92 out of a Caddi SUV? What intake is on there now?

Yes it is out of an Escalade. It has the truck intake, but I've purchased an LS3 intake. Sorry for any lack of knowledge on this - it's my first time doing it!