Jack Rousch injured in landing accident at Oshkosh

[68protouring454]

Originally Posted by Josh69

Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!

just like mike said, too many things from wind shear, to mechanical/eletrical failures which dont make you a bad pilot. an airplane is one huge mechanical/electrical system so there are failures.
there is no one i would rather be in the air with, other then him. i have flown on commercial planes with him down to his aeronca sedan, or cessna 206 on floats, to his 40's seabea.

[Josh69]

Originally Posted by Musclerodz

That is not true. Too many variables or circumstances. So I am guessing if you wrecked your car twice your a bad driver as well?

I would say, yes, you are a bad driver...or in-attentive, in-experienced, whatever the case may be.

I expect race drivers to crash. If my neighbor balls up two station wagons running errands...I think the entire world would assume the guy can't drive. I also expect test pilots and stunt pilots to crash. I don't expect to crash when I'm flying a routine flight. There is a difference between being good and being lucky...sometimes it's a very fine line. But crashing two planes....maybe lucky...maybe just not good.

I'm glad he's OK. I just think it's a stretch to have a few of you claiming he's a great, or even good, pilot. He's just wrecked his 2nd aircraft. He's lucky to be alive. I wouldn't sign up to fly anywhere with the guy...if you want to, be my guest.

[Josh69]

Originally Posted by 68protouring454

just like mike said, too many things from wind shear, to mechanical/eletrical failures which dont make you a bad pilot. an airplane is one huge mechanical/electrical system so there are failures.
there is no one i would rather be in the air with, other then him. i have flown on commercial planes with him down to his aeronca sedan, or cessna 206 on floats, to his 40's seabea.

Maybe he needs to do a better job with his pre-flight inspection and maintenance if you are stating that it was a mechanical failure. I grasp that...I build cars as a hobby, much like the rest of us here. I know stuff breaks, and bad things happen.

I just see a guy like Jack with alot of money to play with....crashing two planes. Makes you wonder if he's in over his head. Just considering the (likely) possibility...

[mfain]

Sounds like he got slow trying to build spacing on a slow mover landing ahead of him, did a series of "slow speed" s-turns to increase the spacing (which significantly decreases the stall margin), and either stalled or developed a sink rate that caused him to drag a wingtip. The NTSB will publish a report, but it could take a year. Having been to Oshkosh several times (once in an F-15), I have seen some pretty hairy traffic patterns trying to get a bunch of aircraft with widely varied approach/landing speeds on the ground in a very short period of time -- lots of accidents over the years. I hope Mr. Roush comes out of this okay.

The following synopsis pretty much confirms the earlier videos that were on u-tube (they were quickly removed for "copy right" issues)

Roush Premier I in Oshkosh Landing Accident
At about 6:15 p.m. on Tuesday, a Hawker Beechcraft Premier I piloted by Jack Roush crashed at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wis., on the second day of the annual EAA AirVenture show. The Premier was flying from Ypisilanti, Mich., to Oshkosh. A witness told AIN that the Premier “approached very tight to the runway” and overshot, then was “doing sharp turns” and was flying very slowly at a low altitude above Wittman’s Runway 18. The witness said there was a piston-powered Piper landing in front of the Premier. The Premier was observed about 200 feet above the runway banking from side to side by AIN just before it disappeared behind buildings and parked airplanes. The witness said that the Premier’s right wingtip hit the ground first, spinning the airplane rapidly around to the left. After the Premier stopped, the engines were still running at a high power setting. Roush was observed exiting the crumpled jet with blood pouring down his face. The passenger on board appeared to be uninjured, but they were both taken to the hospital, where Roush was reported in serious but stable condition (no change to this status at press time). After the accident, the Premier’s fuselage could be seen broken apart just forward of the engine pylons. The cockpit and cabin appeared intact. The wreckage was moved to a maintenance hangar at the airport and the runway reopened yesterday morning. “A number of people have come forward with photos and video,” said an EAA spokesman. The NTSB is investigating.

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by Josh69

I would say, yes, you are a bad driver...or in-attentive, in-experienced, whatever the case may be.

I expect race drivers to crash. If my neighbor balls up two station wagons running errands...I think the entire world would assume the guy can't drive. I also expect test pilots and stunt pilots to crash. I don't expect to crash when I'm flying a routine flight. There is a difference between being good and being lucky...sometimes it's a very fine line. But crashing two planes....maybe lucky...maybe just not good.

I'm glad he's OK. I just think it's a stretch to have a few of you claiming he's a great, or even good, pilot. He's just wrecked his 2nd aircraft. He's lucky to be alive. I wouldn't sign up to fly anywhere with the guy...if you want to, be my guest.

That is a generalized statement about his or anyone's abilities without knowing the full facts of the situation. I never claimed he was a great pilot, don't know him personally to make that claim. I do know that jet is a cakewalk fly to either of his P-51 Mustangs. As a pilot for nearly 20 years, I know sh$t can happen, and accidents happen. I have been in 3 forced landings, 2 were internal engine problems and one was a bad load of gas, everything was fine all 3 times when preflight check was done. Does that make me a bad pilot for circumstances beyond my control? I don't expect to crash on any flight, don't plan to, but I prepare for the possibilty.

[68protouring454]

what i am stating is, until the ntsb comes out with a report, you or i dont know what happened, i never said he was a good or great pilot.
I am sure you have never crashed a car, or crashed a motorcycle or bicycle.
no matter what you do, if you do enough of it, there will be accidents.
But i forgot, because he has money, when he has an accident he's a moron.

[Musclerodz]

Originally Posted by mfain

Sounds like he got slow trying to build spacing on a slow mover landing ahead of him, did a series of "slow speed" s-turns to increase the spacing (which significantly decreases the stall margin), and either stalled or developed a sink rate that caused him to drag a wingtip. The NTSB will publish a report, but it could take a year. Having been to Oshkosh several times (once in an F-15), I have seen some pretty hairy traffic patterns trying to get a bunch of aircraft with widely varied approach/landing speeds on the ground in a very short period of time -- lots of accidents over the years. I hope Mr. Roush comes out of this okay.

The following synopsis pretty much confirms the earlier videos that were on u-tube (they were quickly removed for "copy right" issues)

Roush Premier I in Oshkosh Landing Accident
At about 6:15 p.m. on Tuesday, a Hawker Beechcraft Premier I piloted by Jack Roush crashed at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wis., on the second day of the annual EAA AirVenture show. The Premier was flying from Ypisilanti, Mich., to Oshkosh. A witness told AIN that the Premier “approached very tight to the runway” and overshot, then was “doing sharp turns” and was flying very slowly at a low altitude above Wittman’s Runway 18. The witness said there was a piston-powered Piper landing in front of the Premier. The Premier was observed about 200 feet above the runway banking from side to side by AIN just before it disappeared behind buildings and parked airplanes. The witness said that the Premier’s right wingtip hit the ground first, spinning the airplane rapidly around to the left. After the Premier stopped, the engines were still running at a high power setting. Roush was observed exiting the crumpled jet with blood pouring down his face. The passenger on board appeared to be uninjured, but they were both taken to the hospital, where Roush was reported in serious but stable condition (no change to this status at press time). After the accident, the Premier’s fuselage could be seen broken apart just forward of the engine pylons. The cockpit and cabin appeared intact. The wreckage was moved to a maintenance hangar at the airport and the runway reopened yesterday morning. “A number of people have come forward with photos and video,” said an EAA spokesman. The NTSB is investigating.

If you have never been to Oshkosh, flight patterns are a regular 3 ring circus during certain times of the day, usually worst when everyone is coming in first of the week and leaving end of the week. They are landing planes in very short intervals, using 2 or more at a time telling some to land long, others to land short. The airport tower should have never put Jack in line behind a much slower aircraft, Jack did what he could to maintain the interval it sounds like, but it was just too slow to maintain flight and stalled. He should have realized much sooner how slow the traffic was and got out of line, but depending on where traffic was in the air around him, he may not have been able to go anywhere even if he was able to abort the landing sucessfully.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

This is always a conversation we have when boating --- you must be the captain of your vessel at all times - REGARDLESS of what the right of way states etc... because you can be right - but be dead right. If I'm in the locks and the lock master is telling me to do something I don't want to do I ignore him and do what's right for the boat. I'm running my boat - period. 25 tons and no brakes... and limited maneuverability even with twins... but it's my job and the safety of all falls on MY shoulders.

Not sure how that relates to flying - since he may or may not be made aware of who's in front of him - or the spacing etc... I'm just saying that if something isn't right - or you don't feel it's right - then you have to do whatever you have to do to stay safe.

What kinda boat you got there,

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Originally Posted by ja.stoner63

I'm happy he is ok.

Hey when your dropping like a rock and can control to a degree that you walk away...that is a great pilot.

my .02

Good point

[Josh69]

Originally Posted by 68protouring454

what i am stating is, until the ntsb comes out with a report, you or i dont know what happened, i never said he was a good or great pilot.
I am sure you have never crashed a car, or crashed a motorcycle or bicycle.
no matter what you do, if you do enough of it, there will be accidents.
But i forgot, because he has money, when he has an accident he's a moron.

We are all making assumptions and generalizations, that much is obvious. Who said anything about him being a moron?

Truth is I never have crashed. But this isn't about me.

It sounds like Roush did an admirable job of saving the plane in a bad situation that was either out of his control or beyond his experience. He should be commended for coming out of it as well as he did. But, I can guarantee you his insurer is asking the same questions.