Roadrage, I hear you , but we are talking about a 43 year old subframe here that has been through millions of load cycles. My stock sub is not bent (as far as I know), but it must be fatigued by now. In addition, since I am looking at an LS swap in the future, the move to front steer will simplify my oil pan choices. In addition, I will get some money back by selling my stock subframe with poly bushings, disc brakes and 1" swaybar.
I stand with TheJDMan that a new subframe is the way to go.
Now with that said, I had a nice conversation with Killer69 about the Speedtech unit and it is true that their frame appears technically superior to the Martz and Heidts that I was looking at. I also concur that outfitting the Speedtech similar to the Martz makes the price difference much less. This is all making this choice harder and harder.
I have to go do some research on DSE, AME, Jakes and TCI now.
Please keep the information coming.
Roadrage, I hear you , but we are talking about a 43 year old subframe here that has been through millions of load cycles. My stock sub is not bent (as far as I know), but it must be fatigued by now. In addition, since I am looking at an LS swap in the future, the move to front steer will simplify my oil pan choices. In addition, I will get some money back by selling my stock subframe with poly bushings, disc brakes and 1" swaybar.
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so is the subframe i am useing and of the transam above!!. that thussend meen anything. front stearing is ez. but not realy nesersary. having said all that. its your money and your car....
Last edited by Roadrage David; 06-21-2011 at 03:09 PM.
I bought Jake's test car last year and couln't be happier!! It has his first subframe in it. We did add his DOM C6 upper and lower control arm's and a splined sway bar. IMO his stuff works great!! I haven't had the opportunity to drive car's with the the other's you are looking into so I can't compare. All I can say is that I am very happy with what I have and the accomplishments I'v made with car. I have recently won the RTTS event and qualified for the Optima event, this past weekend placed 3rd at the Motorstate Challange.What ever you choose is your choice. Just thought I'd add my.02
Unfortunately I can only look at my JRS (Jake's) subframe right now, but from all of my conversations with him as well as looking at the workmanship of the items I purchased, I can't wait to drive this thing! Jake was able to answer all of my technical questions in great detail and made me very comfortable with his pieces.
I think it's hard to go wrong with most any of these items, you really just need to decide what your price point is going to be and go from there.
I looked at all the rest, and they are all more expensive than the two I am considering, but I do like the ones based on Corvette suspension. Aaaarrrghhh. I wish I had more money. I may have to save one more year and do this right.
One thing about the Martz that is starting to bother me is that it looks like a Mustang II derived system. They are adamant that it is not, that it is their own design, but damn if it doesn't look similar.
Like I said give Scott Mock a call he has a couple of differnt frames and his son Kevin is doing very well with his 69' camaro on the auto X. I think Scott has a group buy going on.
Got in touch with Scott Mock. He has a nice piece also and his price is right in line with the other upper tier brands. I almost wish there weren't this many choices. There is lcoal guy who has the Martz installed. I am going to go take a look at his and decide whether I will take the chance with that one or consider one of the upper tier ones. I appreciate all the input and help you guys have given me. Except for the fact that you made it harder to decide.
Aston - my .02. If it comes down to Scott Mock or Martz, buy from Scott. He uses C6 components so you get good geometry and parts a plenty to bolt on. It's also track tested. Just MHO, but it looks like a dup of an Art Morrision for a lot less cabbbage...
FWIW I have a 67 Camaro with a Martz subframe and am very pleased with the way it performs. You can get it with the 13" rotors and 6 piston calipers as an option.
I went to Super Chevy at Maple Grove this weekend and I saw Chris Alston's Chassisworks subframe in person. That is one quality piece. The workmanship is superb and the size of the framerails is impressive. I also saw a Camaro with the Heidt's subframe and it looked weak in comparison. I am almost convinced now to wait until I have the money to buy one of the better ones. I still have to look at the Camaro that is local to me with the Martz installed but at this point I am pretty sure I am not going to go that way.
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