Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Bucketlist2012]

Originally Posted by Z10ROD

so ya'll don't support POTUS ?

Nope....I have nothing against him personally..I don't know him..But as far as his policies ? Nope, I cannot support him.

I wish him no ill will or harm, but as a Leader ? Nope...

I understand the election is over and it is time to move on, but I don't believe in the direction he is taking us.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Z10ROD

so ya'll don't support POTUS ?

Personally I respect the office... and I abide by the law... But I don't have to respect this particular Presidents ideals.

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Personally I respect the office... and I abide by the law... But I don't have to respect this particular Presidents ideals.

I can see that. Why would anyone respect a president who, for example, wants to see middle class Americans given a shot at decent wages and living conditions, who believes in education and passing on to our children a planet that's still viable, who respects the fundamental rights of all Americans to marry, serve in the armed forces and be treated with respect, and who thinks that it's not moral to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly through cuts to medicare and social security?

Yes, so much more reflective of American values to gut the safety net (and the promises made over the last 50 years) so we can give tax breaks to the obscenely wealthy and allow capitalists to flourish at the expense of both the country and its citizens.

[57hemicuda]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

I can see that. Why would anyone respect a president who, for example, wants to see middle class Americans given a shot at decent wages and living conditions, who believes in education and passing on to our children a planet that's still viable, who respects the fundamental rights of all Americans to marry, serve in the armed forces and be treated with respect, and who thinks that it's not moral to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly through cuts to medicare and social security?

Yes, so much more reflective of American values to gut the safety net (and the promises made over the last 50 years) so we can give tax breaks to the obscenely wealthy and allow capitalists to flourish at the expense of both the country and its citizens.

Step away from the Kool-Aid before somebody gets hurt!!

[Shmoov69]

LOL!!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

I can see that. Why would anyone respect a president who, for example, wants to see middle class Americans given a shot at decent wages and living conditions, who believes in education and passing on to our children a planet that's still viable, who respects the fundamental rights of all Americans to marry, serve in the armed forces and be treated with respect, and who thinks that it's not moral to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly through cuts to medicare and social security?

Yes, so much more reflective of American values to gut the safety net (and the promises made over the last 50 years) so we can give tax breaks to the obscenely wealthy and allow capitalists to flourish at the expense of both the country and its citizens.

I was just going to ignore this response because it's really more of a flame than a discussion of the issues. So far this thread has remained a fairly simple posts of peoples beliefs without rebuttal.

I don't think 'most' people want to see the gutting of the entitlements that hard working, tax paying Americans need. What I do think 'most' Americans would agree on is that many of these programs have become far too liberal and out of control. Obama Phones is just one tiny example of what most folks would think is "over the top".

So, the way America works is that we usually have to have a great debate. Then we can expose the weaknesses - throw around some ideas - radical on the left and right - and come back to a consensus with something that works for most.

Where we are in those debates (on many fronts) reminds me of the old hippie days with the girl putting a flower in the end of the barrel of a soldiers rifle. Obviously two quite opposite sides I'd say.

Here's my - to use your statement about gutting social programs - idea on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. Rather than just raise taxes on everything and everyone... how about we modify these payouts in a reverse of paying taxes - in other words - the more you make - the less you get - and the less you make the MORE you get? Why should I get SS and Medicare etc -- I'm a 1% guy. I don't need these programs - and I'm perfectly happy NOT receiving them regardless of the fact that I've paid in. I have a buddy that gets SS and he opened up an auto deposit / auto pay account just so his check pays the lease on his Mercedes. To me - that's just plain wrong.
It is, however, equally wrong that my niece collects $600 a month because she had a baby out of wedlock that has a defective arm. His arm is just mildly deformed - and he's had 3 or 4 FREE surgeries in order to correct it. She's been getting this monthly payment since the day he was born. Does she put it into an account so he'll never have to work? Does this money come with ANY strings attached at all? NO... it's just pissed down a rat hole every month and looked at as "FREE MONEY" to spend. THAT IS WRONG and is the type of thing that needs to be stopped.

I'm a democratic republican. What I'd like to see happen is that people like me - the rich guys you hate - be denied SS etc -- and I'd like to see it go to REAL NEEDS of people that are barely getting by. BUT I don't want to see mine going to people like my niece.

Now -- what tax paying people are PO'd about is that they feel their money is WASTED. And rather than just being forced to pay add infinitum - they'd like to force a discussion and see some REAL changes to these "programs" BEFORE they just blindly send more dough into the waste pit called Washington DC.

[GregWeld]

You've all read or seen the stories about the shoeless NYC guy...


To me - this is a person that obviously needs far more "help" than he's getting and I for one don't mind paying my taxes to help him... He needs MORE help not less. I need NO help per my earlier post.

This LINK is NOT the original story -- this is a NEW STORY about this man and I'm posting it just in case you all missed it. I find it a very interesting twist on the clearer picture and total of "the story".

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...cials-say?lite

[Garage Dog 65]

What does all this have to do with Kate Middleton's morning sickness and the royal baby buzz ?????

And OMG will it be a boy or a girl ?

And OMG what will it's name be ?


Will you guys get focused on the really important stuff !

(maybe I should turn off the tv ...)




Jim

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

I can see that. Why would anyone respect a president who, for example, wants to see middle class Americans given a shot at decent wages and living conditions, who believes in education and passing on to our children a planet that's still viable, who respects the fundamental rights of all Americans to marry, serve in the armed forces and be treated with respect, and who thinks that it's not moral to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly through cuts to medicare and social security?

Yes, so much more reflective of American values to gut the safety net (and the promises made over the last 50 years) so we can give tax breaks to the obscenely wealthy and allow capitalists to flourish at the expense of both the country and its citizens.

I'm definitely middle class and don't see any action that will help middle class America. I see a lot of smoke being blown up naïve orifices. Decent wages and living conditions start with jobs. Jobs start with embracing small businesses with incentive programs to create jobs.

I see middle-American's getting back-doored with hidden taxes in the form a rate increases from the over-staffed over-paid bureaucracies. Small businesses that aren't unionized will continue to be handicapped with unrealistic sub-contractor compliance regulations. Health care costs for small business and individuals packaged with poor service quality will continue to escalate.

Our children are 11 & 14 and while our schools are better than average, they don't generate a good education. They teach mediocrity, entitlement, and poor fundamental manners (behavior/attire/responsibility/etc.)

They learn that respect is not earned it's an entitlement. They learn that an 8 month 32 hour 5 day work week is too much. They learn how to supplement holiday leave with fictional days off. They learn that Mac is superior to the PC platform. They learn how to solicit for donations. They learn that obese is the norm. They lean that pizza, nacho's, and soda are good nutrition. The learn that art and music are more important than shop and home economics. They learn that being reprimanded for unacceptable behavior is not that bad. They learn that trying to achieve at higher levels than others is frowned upon. They learn that even if you don't win you still get a trophy and accolades. They learn the American Flag and National Anthem are offensive to others.

They also learn at lunch every day that they are of an ethnicity that isn't worthy of accolades and special accommodations.......and they don't have the right to find it offensive.

[96z28ss]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

It is, however, equally wrong that my niece collects $600 a month because she had a baby out of wedlock that has a defective arm. His arm is just mildly deformed - and he's had 3 or 4 FREE surgeries in order to correct it. She's been getting this monthly payment since the day he was born. Does she put it into an account so he'll never have to work? Does this money come with ANY strings attached at all? NO... it's just pissed down a rat hole every month and looked at as "FREE MONEY" to spend. THAT IS WRONG and is the type of thing that needs to be stopped.

What needs to be also fixed is they collect welfare all year long, then at the end of the year they get a damn tax return. How can you get a tax return when the income you've made came from welfare? That is just wrong.