1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Rob, I don't think Jake meant to bash anyone. I believe he is questioning the motives behind the work involved to achieve what he believes is a small gain...productive or not.

As a performance shop I have been down that road and felt that the required modifications to do it right might hurt performance. It wasnt worth the time or money to even try it. As a great friend once said "street car or race car, there is no in between, You only end up with a fast street car or a slow track car. Make your choice."

I believe Dave has a goal in mind of how he wants his car to look and perform. If he achieves his goals then he will be happy. If he doesn't he will fix it.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I still think this thread will somehow get to 200K page views someday. This stuff may help.

[U-turn]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

Rob, I don't think Jake meant to bash anyone. I believe he is questioning the motives behind the work involved to achieve what he believes is a small gain...productive or not.

POW!

That and he doesn't want anyone altering his products.

[57hemicuda]

This maybe simplistic, but why wouldn't you just use the drop spindles to take some height out of the front. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper, and it also fixes that stupid not being able to swap out the wheel bearings at the track without breaking the knuckles apart thing(lower bolt is exposed on drop spindles). I know Steve Rupp had the same issue with Bad Penny, and installed billet drop uprights, fixed height issue without changing geometry.

Hell, Jake helped me modify his subframe on my AMX. I think he was just saying that was a lot of coin, and effort for an inch.

[GregWeld]

Well this got interesting in a hurry....





Hey Dave! How ya going to moderate this one??




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[GregWeld]

A REAL honest to gawd 1969 photo of a Trans Am race.... with some suspension travel "back in the day".....


Today - we'd dial that out til she ran flat.... but back in the day... oh my...

[carbuff]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

Rob, I don't think Jake meant to bash anyone. I believe he is questioning the motives behind the work involved to achieve what he believes is a small gain...productive or not.

Not wanting to stoke any flames, but I read it the same way. (it probably also helps that I know Jake and have communicated with him for a few years now) Although I do think Dave's intentions (I could be wrong, shouldn't speak for him) aren't as much concerned with streetability as track performance (Rob certainly pointed out a few of those in his post).

I think this car is going to be awesome when completed. Since I run the JRS setup also, and my car sits pretty low, I was just wondering what effect going that much lower would have. Jake actually emailed me and explained that some angle to the LCA's is actually expected and planned with his setup/geometry, so I got a little more education myself from asking the question...

I'll be curious to follow along here and see how things are modified to handle the changes. Certainly anything can be done, and it's Dave's project and money to throw at it!

[Vegas69]

Take your pink Ford panties out of your crack.

I'm with these guys, I didn't see it as bashing, simply constructive advice.

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Well this got interesting in a hurry....





Hey Dave! How ya going to moderate this one??




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My thoughts exactly.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda

This maybe simplistic, but why wouldn't you just use the drop spindles to take some height out of the front. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper, and it also fixes that stupid not being able to swap out the wheel bearings at the track without breaking the knuckles apart thing(lower bolt is exposed on drop spindles). I know Steve Rupp had the same issue with Bad Penny, and installed billet drop uprights, fixed height issue without changing geometry.

Hell, Jake helped me modify his subframe on my AMX. I think he was just saying that was a lot of coin, and effort for an inch.

That would be a logical choice but as a fellow fabricator ( not meaning to step on Brett's toes by speaking for him)but I enjoy problem solving and creating solutions from scratch. Sometimes it's the fun way around.
Note: this coming from a guy that would rather spend 36 hours straight tig welding a 16g stainless steel 90 point roll cage in a 1962 Volkswagen bug than doing 1 hour of writing estimates and updating a profit loss statement.