Shooting in Connecticut

[Ron in SoCal]

An email I recieved today from Guns America. Action this please:

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Find and Contanct your Representative in the US House by Zip Code:
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To Read and Comment on this Article at GunsAmerica:
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There is an old adage, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This week the media is trying to convince us that support for Senator Feinstein's anti-gun legislation is weak, but if we are not PRO-ACTIVE, the legislation will pass as written. You will wake up just in time for SHOT Show with new laws that make your AR-15 a Class 3 weapon. This means that if you want to keep your tactical rifles, you will have to register them, pay a $5-$200 tax, and notify the government if you intend to take them out of state. You will also completely waive your 4th Amendment rights to reasonable search and seizure. ATF will have the right to knock on your door and inspect the weapons anytime they want. You will also see an end to standard capacity magazines. This isn't a threat. It isn't political posturing. Diane Feinstein and the anti-gun machine have already introduced the legislation, and it will be rammed through Congress and signed by the President if we do not Stand As One and act today.

Please contact your legislators immediately, and post the links above to your discussion boards. Also please contact all of the gun companies you do business with and ask them to take action now and don't sit on their resources in reaching out to the gunowners of America. All of them have mailing lists, and all of them are sitting on them pretending that they don't have any responsibility, while doing record business in the stuff that is going to be banned or regulated. This 2nd Amendment crisis is not about KA-CHING. We call out to Midway USA, Gunbroker, Brownells, Sportsmen's Guide, Cabelas and all the firearms and accessory manufacturers. If you have a list, use it. We must Stand As One if we are to defeat this threat to our freedom. Aside from one NRA-ILA email notifying us about the legislation, even the NRA has been silent. Facebook isn't enough. Our testing has shown that the effectiveness of Facebook is very small. You MUST EMAIL YOUR LISTS THIS WEEK before the legislation gains public support. We are about to enter a dark time in 2nd Amendment freedom and political wrangling from the NRA isn't going to cut it this far out from an election. The legislators need to hear from us, that we will work to defeat them in their next election bid.

This is not an alarmist position. The anti-gun machine was prepared for this opportunity, and they are very well organized. Senator Feinstein herself admitted that she has been working since last year to investigate all of the loopholes from the last "Assault Weapons Ban" and eliminate them. That means that this time there will be no thumbhole stocks, no sawed off flashhiders, no California "bullet buttons." It is almost as though the anti-gunners allowed the old ban to end in hopes of making a better one this time. This legislation is extremely comprehensive and if it passes, every tactical rifle in America will instantly become a Class 3 weapon. No new guns will be produced at all, effectively shuttering every AR-15 manufacturer in the country.

Don't be fooled by the pollsters this time, for or against. They key point in this legislation is that we are more than a year from the start of the next campaigns for the mid-term elections. The anti-gun lobbyists, as you read this, are contacting the House and Senate members trying to convince them that American voters are not going to punish them for voting for new and sweeping gun control. Few politicians actually stand for anything, so how we react is paramount to defeating this legislation. You must notify your legislators that you are watching their vote and that you will work to defeat them in their next election bid if they vote for any new gun legislation that comes out of the Sandy Hook shootings. Over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year, the most gun restrictive city in the USA. We will not sacrifice our 2nd Amendment rights because the media is up in arms about the slaughter of 20 white kids by a mentally disturbed individual who stole his mommy's guns.

Also don't think that the Supreme Court is going to help us on this one. The legislation clearly identifies the approach to grandfathered weapons as a tax, and the Supreme Court has recently dealt with this issue on Obamacare, and refused to strike it down. Our swing vote, the George W. Bush appointed Justice Stevens, has already demonstrated that he will not strike down major legislation from the bench if he can find a way to avoid it, and this tax approach to our guns won't even make the Supreme Court. You may think that the original 2nd Amendment guaranteed us the right to the same guns at the government (muskets at the time), but there is plenty of Federal case law from the 1986 machinegun ban that has laid the groundwork for this Feinstein bill. It will pass, and it will stand.

If we Stand As One this week, the legislation will be stopped. Please contact your reps in the House and your Senators today. Mobilize your friends and family. Email everyone in your contact list. And most importantly post the direct links above (not to GunsAmerica) to every single discussion board, blog or forum to which you frequent.

As we have tried to explain already, GunsAmerica is all alone out here in this fight. Please encourage the gun websites you do business with to join our Stand As One campaign and email their mailing lists to fight this game changing legislation. We are all NRA Life and Endowment members here at GunsAmerica, yet nothing has come from NRA. Our competitors Gunbroker have sent nothing, apparently content with the spike in business. Midway USA has a huge list, yet nothing has come from them. Brownells is in the news for selling 3 1/2 years of magazines in one day, yet nothing has come from their email list. And worst of all, Cheaper Than Dirt actually announced that they would stop selling guns online, supporting the public opinion against our guns. Sportsman's Guide even had the nerve to send a happy go lucky "After Christmas" sale email on AR-15 accessories. Don't boycott these companies. Contact these companies! We have to stand together or we are going to lose. Now is not the time to argue and sit on our resources of huge email lists to America's gun enthusiasts. We Stand As One!

Some of you got upset at us calling Alex Jones a turd in the punchbowl of 2nd Amendment freedom, but it is the truth. The conspiracy theory websites do not stand with us on this one, though they claim that they do. A lot of young people are caught up in a conspiracy theory mindset that is preventing them from seeing the forest through the trees. 2nd Amendment rights were never about hunting, and there has always been an out in the open "conspiracy" against them. if you espouse big government control and oversight of all Americans, you obviously don't want free thinkers to be armed. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to figure out that Diane Feinstein wants to watch and control all Americans, and disarming us is an important step for her and her ilk. Alex Jones and his gang may seem well intentioned, but what they really want is internet traffic. They want to sell you the movies and the water purifiers and the survival food and the male enhancement pills, PERIOD. Guns are just the latest thing on the conspiracy theory bandwagon because it "gets the buzz going." They may be gun loving Americans at heart, but what is driving them today is the almighty but ever weakening $$$ dollar.

Diane Feinstein doesn't care how much survival food you have in your bunker . But what she does have is the actual power to halt the production of an entire class of firearms and magazines, and she plans to do that, this week. Get out of your armchair and get into action.

This quote from a recent article in the Russian newspaper Pravda urging us to not give up our 2nd Amendment freedom says a great deal:

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

We must Stand As One!

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[ironworks]

Ok I'm not much of a conspiracy theory kinda guy. But this who reporting of our news on this subject has bothered me. Then I saw this video on facebook today.

Some stuff seems like a stretch, but some of it is very valid points.

[GregWeld]

I was at the Seattle PD range today -- this is also a members only gun store. They sold out of 80 AR-15 style rifles they had in stock in 3 days after the talking heads on tv blabbered on about banning assault style rifles. There is ONE hanging on the wall -- which is now "UP FOR BID" -- you must submit a bid and the highest bidder will be the purchaser. This is the only one left for sale. Bidding started at $950

They have a ONE limit on magazines (they are not CLIPS as commonly called but that's just a misuse of a term that people don't understand and is now common practice) -- they have sold out of most and were told by the suppliers that they are not taking any more orders.

They are also sold out of .223 rounds

This is only important because this is a POLICE shooting range and member only shop. While they do allow "others" -- the others have to be vetted by a member. It's not open to the general public.

OMG what a sales boon this has been for retailers and manufacturers!!

Note they have plenty of suppressors in stock... nobody is talking about banning them.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I was at the Seattle PD range today -- this is also a members only gun store. They sold out of 80 AR-15 style rifles they had in stock in 3 days after the talking heads on tv blabbered on about banning assault style rifles. There is ONE hanging on the wall -- which is now "UP FOR BID" -- you must submit a bid and the highest bidder will be the purchaser. This is the only one left for sale. Bidding started at $950

They have a ONE limit on magazines (they are not CLIPS as commonly called but that's just a misuse of a term that people don't understand and is now common practice) -- they have sold out of most and were told by the suppliers that they are not taking any more orders.

They are also sold out of .223 rounds

This is only important because this is a POLICE shooting range and member only shop. While they do allow "others" -- the others have to be vetted by a member. It's not open to the general public.

OMG what a sales boon this has been for retailers and manufacturers!!

Note they have plenty of suppressors in stock... nobody is talking about banning them.

Probably cause you have to jump throught flaming hoops to buy one. I'd rather just make one from scratch.
Anti's will never figure out that bans and restrictions just increases how many people own them. This weekends gun show was huge. Probably more than the show before BOH's first election.

Wanna go halvies to buy Bushmaster? The should have a stellar year. Average price for a stripped lower receiver is $400-800 dollars. I saw a Noveske stripped N2 going for $1100. Holy crapski.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by ironworks

Ok I'm not much of a conspiracy theory kinda guy. But this who reporting of our news on this subject has bothered me. Then I saw this video on facebook today.

Some stuff seems like a stretch, but some of it is very valid points.

Considering a situation like Sandy Hook I was very surprised there was not one survivor or victim that was transported and later died in a hospital. How does one shooter in a chaotic environment have a 100% instant kill ratio? I'm well above average with a handgun and there is no way IMO.

I can't recall seeing any Shady Hook crime scene photo's?

This is as convincing as the facts surrounding the JFK assassination. Having toured the book depository and grounds with a critical eye the official account is simply impossible. Remington XP-100 fireball from the storm grate in the curb............autopsy photo's retouched to conceal the rear exit wound.

Motives.............political leverage.

Sadly 80% of the people are sheep following the Sheppard to be sheared.

[GregWeld]

While discussing the sold out condition of the AR style rifles... there were 3 or 4 other customer/members in the shop (it's very small) and 3 guys behind the counter (all police or retired police).... a discussion broke out about "the ban"... these are POLICEMEN! Not one of them was FOR a ban of any kind.

REALLY?? These guys work the streets - arresting bad guys - and they weren't for a ban of any kind. Why? To a man - each voiced that making something illegal was of no use and was no deterrent.

[sniper]

I believe the shooter in Sandy Hook never had an AR. He used all handguns.
They said the AR was found in the trunk of his stolen car.

As far as the tax goes. It is already in place, it's called a Form 4. It is used for short barreled and suppressed rifles. One problem with it is that the Head LEO has to sign off on the form for it to be approved. In my County, our Sheriff refuses to sign one. But there are ways to work around him.

I do not agree with it in it's current form either, but it would be really easy for the fed to mandate all semi autos into this law.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

From the over head video it wasn't even an AR type. Looked like a Saiga 12 gauge to me. First reports by the Sargent on scene said that the AR was found in the trunk. Then later reports stated the AR was found inside along with 4 hand guns. How does a Sargent mistake this detail?

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab

From the over head video it wasn't even an AR type. Looked like a Saiga 12 gauge to me. First reports by the Sargent on scene said that the AR was found in the trunk. Then later reports stated the AR was found inside along with 4 hand guns. How does a Sargent mistake this detail?

I'm trying to stay neutral on this but there's so many skewed details and now the incident has pretty much dropped off the radar and momentum has switched to banning efforts. Perfect storm?

[pjs65]

Originally Posted by out2kayak

More fodder on statistics:

I wouldn,t argue with that , especially the last bit . I have posted some comments earlier but as iam from the UK and that i do not feel the need to arm myself .I don,t own or wish to own a gun or know anything about them ,i shall not comment about guns any more as i couldn,t careless about them . In the UK Piers Morgan is a well known arse and we are happy that he prefers to live in the states instead of on our violent little island . He is what we call a **** stirrer as he gives the pot a shake to see what floats to the top , the best thing to do is ignore him .
As in the video our problem is violent crime but its mainly the sort you get in town centers after the bars have shut , idiots who can,t handle drink . A few years back our far sighted no i mean short sighted government decided to bring in 24 hour opening times for bars , a la Europe . The hope was that allowing people longer to drink meant they were less likely to rush down 10 pints before closing time at 11pm and stagger about causing trouble. Well i don,t need to explain what happens when you allow a country that has a drinking habit like ours longer to drink . So our average town centers are at best to be treated with caution during the early hours in order to avoid drunks .
As a species we are naturally violent and we live in a violent society ,we are gready , vain and sadisitic and i see very little hope that that will change . We have caused far more injusticies than we can ever hope to right .
As we are meant to be friends i will tell you what our two governments do to our friends . Diego Garcia is a US military base in the Indian ocean and the island that its on is a British colony with a local population , its position makes it handy for bombing raids on the middle east and Asia . We removed the inhabitants years ago and packed them off to another island .During the Iraq war Tony Blairs government whilst using his so called ethical foreign policy , past a law that stripped the people of Diego Garcia of any rights to their island . Only recently have the law courts overturned this , they discribed Tony Blairs act as the most despicable act performed by a British government . The truth is that whilst liberating Iraq the British government disowned the people of Diego Garcia of their home , a very shameful act by a government and where was this in the press , i guess they couldn.t hack that phone .
Don,t trust your government do not listen to the biased press and don,t let people stir you up . Pete