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**camcojb** · #**311** 02-18-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS

What do you guys think of open carry? In MO, it's an open carry state, but you just don't see a lot of people doing that. And if you do, chances are people will freak, and you will get harassed. Is this different in your states?

Case in point, someone was doing it here. He got harassed, but also made a youtube of it. The police chief in our town went to the council to get 'open carry' banned in public. I voiced my opinion to my council reps, it ended up being dropped real quick. Because any town law would not override our state laws which allow for open carry.

So how is it in your town and does anyone personally do it?

Used to be able to open carry in California, up until a year ago or so. But the gun could not be loaded.

Then several people started doing it just because they wanted to make videos of peoples reactions, followed shortly by a ban on open carry.

MrsSpiffAv8 · #**312** 02-18-2013, 03:07 PM

Personally, my current concealed carry is a Springfield XD 9mm. My new favorite gun though is a Sig P226 9mm. I'm waiting for my renewed CCW to show up, therefore I am now needing to carry open. In Nevada which obviously includes Clark County, I have every right to do so. For more info on Nevada concealed carry check out: NRS 202.3673 You keep your business covered up well enough you have nothing to worry about and no attention will be drawn to you. If you choose to open carry however, yes you may expect Uneducated Joe/Jane Public to freak out or talk...or even call the police. And what the police will ask is: Is this person threatening anyone with the gun? Are they holding it in their hand or is it in a holster? If the answers are not threatening and in a holster then we will put up a call coded: PERSON WITH A GUN, but the priority is just to have an officer drive by, try and locate the person, observe their behavior. If all is fine, they leave. Because they are doing NOTHING WRONG OR ILLEGAL. We also explain this to the callers as well.

Now, for open carry or if a business sees that you are concealed...see NRS 207.200 and this refers to trespassing. The main points are: 1a) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the OWNER or OCCUPANT thereof not to trespass, is guilty of a misdemeanor. And further down...d) By the owner of occupant of the land or building making an oral or written demand to any guest to vacate the land or building.

Summary: If your asked to leave, just because the law states you can carry...you've been asked to leave someone's property so be a responsible upstanding gun owner and leave. A business or their representative can refuse service to anyone, at any time, for any reason.

Carrying open will open you up for more people also to approach you and ask you questions. Happened to us the other day while trying to shop for cars and furniture. We spent more time talking guns than we did trim levels, gas mileage, reclining sofa, etc. While I am all for talking to anyone about the rights of citizens and educating them on the law, sometimes I just don't mind being stared at and talked about behind my back so long as I'm left alone.

In Nevada, per NRS 202.254 a private person is authorized to obtain background check on person who wishes to obtain firearm...like in a private person to person sale. This is just to ease your mind. It is an OPTION, but is NOT MANDATORY. There is a fee involved obviously. AND, I am not sure if a private sale is covered by the new law as of July 1, 2012 that states if your CCW was obtained July 1, 2012 or later, that you are NOT subject to ANOTHER background check. Any permits issued prior to that date, you will need to have a background check done for any new gun purchases, even if its still valid.

While I am NOT an expert on all this stuff, I do try to keep up as best as I can. If anyone has any questions, let me know. I'll see what I can do.
P.S. Arizona has new gun laws too pertaining to open/concealed carry for residents and NON residents of the state. As long as you are an American citizen. Check them out.

**GregWeld** · #**313** 02-18-2013, 03:26 PM

Good info Laurie!

I can tell you that if I walked around Bellevue with an open carry -- people would be running away from me... and the cops would be swarming. Nobody here is used to seeing that.

I have CC more so that when (not if) I get stopped in the rig - and they want to inspect or whatever - I'm not going to get into trouble cause I have the Kimber in the console or wherever.

DBasher · #**314** 02-18-2013, 05:13 PM

Without a CCP I was unsure of what to do when in the car, so I asked. I was told by an Everett officer that it's a grey area in this state. (WA.) He said that he had transferred from Alabama and the laws in that state were much more defined. His attitude towards open carry was great and suggested that I get my CCP...and to do it quickly.

No more open carry for me until I get that squared away

Greg, Bellevue is just a bit sheltered and the officers are a...mm, hmm

Dan

**GregWeld** · #**315** 02-18-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DBasher

Greg, Bellevue is just a bit sheltered and the officers are a...mm, hmm

Dan

Can you imagine the ruckus if I went into Bellevue Square with the Kimber on my hip....

I don't care how many permits I have... or even what's legal. I think we have to be very careful about how "others" see us. Discretion is the better part of valur or something like that... and I totally agree.

I was advised by both Mryle and John (my cop buddies) that if I get pulled over - I should hand the cop my drivers license AND my CCP... that I didn't have to "say" anything more than that. It just let's them know that I know and that I "get it" and have "notified" them of the situation.

MrsSpiffAv8 · #**316** 02-18-2013, 05:39 PM

In Nevada...I would show my CCW as a courtesy...but it is not required. Also, on new gun purchases, a blue card or registration card comes with it. But you do NOT need to carry this at all times. Only your CCW and your ID.

People are just either ignorant of the laws or its not an area of interest to them so they never do any research.

Kind of like our laws now that everyone is all up in arms about. They freak out about what they don't know and yet NEVER take the time to educate themselves until its too late or the wool is sooooo far pulled over their eyes they will never get it removed.

**GregWeld** · #**317** 02-18-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpiffAv8

In Nevada...I would show my CCW as a courtesy...but it is not required. Also, on new gun purchases, a blue card or registration card comes with it. But you do NOT need to carry this at all times. Only your CCW and your ID.

People are just either ignorant of the laws or its not an area of interest to them so they never do any research.

Kind of like our laws now that everyone is all up in arms about. They freak out about what they don't know and yet NEVER take the time to educate themselves until its too late or the wool is sooooo far pulled over their eyes they will never get it removed.

Many people remind me of those old fashioned doll cartoons -- where the eyes were just "X"'s....

Personally I'm so angry about, and sick of, hearing legislators -- who SHOULD BE smarter than the man in the street - laying blame on "assault weapons". What f'n idiots.

I was trying to think of the time the three (assault rifles) in my safe -- jumped up and went out on a killing spree... Oh wait! It's PEOPLE that kill people and that seems to be already against the law. Maybe we should just outlaw people???? If only.....

96z28ss · #**318** 02-18-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

I was advised by both Mryle and John (my cop buddies) that if I get pulled over - I should hand the cop my drivers license AND my CCP... that I didn't have to "say" anything more than that. It just let's them know that I know and that I "get it" and have "notified" them of the situation.

I think in Oregon when they pull you over and run your plate they already know if you have a CCP. thats what a cop told me.

**Stuart Adams** · #**319** 02-18-2013, 06:41 PM

Laurie, thanks for the great info. Concealed in a casino is ok or is that a gray area also? Thanks.

**Sieg** · #**320** 02-18-2013, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 96z28ss

I think in Oregon when they pull you over and run your plate they already know if you have a CCP. thats what a cop told me.

I believe that's the case, but the few times I've been pulled over I've advised the officer that I'm carrying and have a permit.

I've had a permit in Oregon since '84 and carry frequently and have never had an incident with LEO's, property, or business owners. But I do my best to conceal my handgun with proper clothing. What people don't know doesn't hurt them applies in this situation.

Open carry in Oregon's "outback" has never been an issue and legal for as long as I can remember. Most natives assume locals are armed, primarily to protect themselves from Cougar, Bear, and now Wolves. Simply put, the issues come from metropolitan immigrants, usually well educated except when it comes to a State Law they don't know or agree with.