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Originally Posted by FOMOGO
I have been lurking here a while. And just thought I would add to this post. No one has mentioned the increasing amounts of thieves wearing body armor. A Glock 9 mm is just going to piss them off. A good old 45 ACP is just going to knock them back and piss them off worse. AR 15 with fragmented rounds made for home protection wont penetrate a wall but they go in a body with a 9mm hole and exit like a basketball. And a 38 revolver is a better throwing item than a shooting item. An old retired county police officer told me that he has seen 38's glance off of windshields. Everyone needs to do some research about ammunition, it is far more important than the weapon delivering it. Just remember the 2 bank robbers that were wearing body armor a few years ago in California. And don't think that you as an untrained, non regimented civilian you can "make the head shot". Way to many documented cases of trained police officers exhausting there ammo and scoring only 1 or 2 hits under the stress of self preservation.
I will be the first to admit that I don't know all the answers but I hope this adds to this thread,
FOMOGO
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I do not mean to be offensive, but frankly your post is riddled with misinformation, and seems to be based more on something heard in a Dirty Harry movie than read in a reputable firearms publication. First, very few criminals are wearing body armor. It's very expensive, and not something you're likely to find and steal at your local Wallmart. Yes, there were the two bank robbers who utilized the stuff, but as you will recall, they also had fully automatic weapons, something that very few citizens, and even fewer criminals are likely to have.
Second, a good .45 shot, with a well designed round (Hydroshock, etc.) will undoubtedly stop most criminals on the first shot. It goes in with a nice 1/2" hole and expands to some three times that size before coming to a stop inside the target's body. Massive internal bleeding follows, causing a sudden loss of blood pressure and thus sends your perpetrator into shock. Even a good .38 can mess up someone's day in this fashion, though I would be more apt to recommend a .357.
Third, most police officers are not actually all that well trained when it comes to marksmanship. This is however changing due to some of the studies that have produced results similar to what you have espoused concerning the number of shots your average police officer can put into a moving target. Still, there are few officers who would not be able to to put more than "one or two shots" out of the 15 or so, carried in the average police officer's Glock or Barretta magazine, into their target while under duress.
Fourth, very few people are capable of taking a direct hit from a .45 into their body armor and just get "pissed off." The impact is likely to break several ribs, and frequently the chest compression caused by the impact is more than enough to send an average person into shock. Even without broken ribs, the resultant bruise is likely to cover an area of some 10" or more! Land two or three into their vest and you will in all likelihood incapacitate them long enough to be capable of holding them at gunpoint until the police and ambulance show up.
Lastly, most criminals have absolutely no wish to confront an armed homeowner. Unlike with the police, whose job is to apprehend a a suspect, the homeowner has much more leeway in the eyes of the law when he is in a situation where he fears for his or his family's life. Thus, in a very large percentage of situations, the criminal is more likely to retreat in the face of force than to stand his ground and risk an armed confrontation. You must also consider that the average criminal, with his stolen gun, has little to no training or practice with his weapon. He has chosen to carry a weapon solely for its intimidation factor and therefore is more than likely to discharge it out of fear than he is to fire it with any accuracy.
Nonetheless, I would strongly recommend to anyone who wishes to protect themselves and their families to pick up a copy of "The Truth About Self-Protection" by Massad Ayoob. It is a well written and fact filled book concerning the do's and don'ts of self protection, including the best ways to prepare for the aftermath of such a confrontation. He goes into many factors someone should consider, including what dog is the best for home protection (Great Dane), less than lethal means that are available, and the best plan should someone break into your home.
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