Overhaulin Challenger

[autoxcuda]

Originally Posted by Bakaruda

I guess we just have to disagree. I have never seen a Mopar align with out lots of work. I know people say they lign up. I still say if you are running stock front suspenion products you can only go so low. I do not remmber who but someone makes lowered front spendels.


I would like to see pictures of the notched frame. I am not sure what he is knotching in the front, the rear I understand.

I've owned my car since 1993. I've had it aligned over 6 times since then. Always with moog offset bushings and stock upper control arms. I've got over 3 degrees caster and over 0.25 camber every times. I have the alignment machine printouts.

But, I have always sought out and found alignment technicians that understand performance alignments and understood the concepts of alignment. The guy in Ames, IA raced circle track cars, Bagge & Son in L.A. gets exotics, handling mods, & 50+ year old cars in on a daily basis, and Cars Automotive in Redondo Beach, CA does lots of older cars.

When you lower the car a lot, there is no room for the lower bumpstop. So instead of running short poly bumpstop Alltime (Tim) notched the frame. First, he removed the welded on support under the front frame rail. Then he cut into the frame itself about 1" to 1.5" on the out side making sort of a pie shaped cut. Then he welded everything up. Last, reinstalled the factory thick lower bumpstop support.

Tough to descibe without pictures. I took some but they didn't come out. That was over ten years ago and the car is long gone.

[Bakaruda]

I got what you meant about knotching the frame now. I removed mine but for other reasons. I just prefer the aftermarket Mopar frontends out there now. I am glad yours works well for you. I knew a guy who circle track raced his with T bars in it. I thought it was crazy but hey it worked for him.

[autoxcuda]

Originally Posted by Bakaruda

I got what you meant about knotching the frame now. I removed mine but for other reasons. I just prefer the aftermarket Mopar frontends out there now. I am glad yours works well for you. I knew a guy who circle track raced his with T bars in it. I thought it was crazy but hey it worked for him.

T-bars are a very capable design. Porsche 911's had them front and rear until the 90's. It's just a spring on a double wishbone suspension. Coil, T-bar, coilover, cantilever leaf, ... The geometry acts independent of which spring you choose. You can get progressive rate coil springs which is a nice feature if you choose to use it.

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This is Tim Werner's 68 Valiant is one of the fastest street Mopars on a road course. It will be a lot faster now that it is getting a 500+ hp motor (natually aspirated, no F.I.) built with road racing in mind. There should be an article detailing the motor build in an upcomming Mopar Action magazine. It's got T-bars and no brainer rear stock leaf springs. It's well sorted and optimized by a experianced road racer owner.

Again this is Tim Werner's 68 Valiant (not my car):



http://www.mrmopar.com/SpringFling20...-05-03_035.jpg

[markss28]

Personally I think Chip is a good car designer but not my favorite. I would rather have Troy Trip. Then anyone else. Mainly cause I think Troy will actually put some power and handling on the car. Like Joe Rogans Sick Fish cuda.

Plus Foose wheels are way over priced, non-original, and ugly. IMHO

[manny z]

Originally Posted by Bakaruda

I guess we just have to disagree. I have never seen a Mopar align with out lots of work. I know people say they lign up. I still say if you are running stock front suspenion products you can only go so low. I do not remmber who but someone makes lowered front spendels.


I would like to see pictures of the notched frame. I am not sure what he is knotching in the front, the rear I understand.

That would be FATMAN dropped spindles. 2" lower.

[autoxcuda]

Originally Posted by manny z

That would be FATMAN dropped spindles. 2" lower.

The car with the notched frame does not run FATMAN dropped spindles.

The owner did buy a pair, mocked them up, then put them for sale. The construction is weak at best and when you call them to ask tech questions they have NO clue about the design considerations or any geometry of the spindle.

The cast/forged 2" dropped spindles are a much nicer piece.

Here's a Fatman 2" dropped spindle.

[FoxRod]

There is a thread on overhaulin website where the cars have to go thru another shop for a safety check. A few irate owners cars were kept hostage because the production company wouldn't pay the prices the safety shops were charging. People were not getting their cars back or they had sign a release from injury.

[vicious69]

Not a mopar fan and yes that car is ugly. That appraisal is way inflated. I wonder how many of the people still have the cars that were done for them on Overhaulin?
I'm a BIG fan of Foose but has anyone noticed that he never comes to the Eastcoast to do cars. I have a 69 camaro im trying to build that could use the Foose touch...