RedZed Reloaded

[Sonar Chief]

Ben ... that's awesome right there!!!

Question: do you have any pics of the header ground clearance w your new subframe? I am assuming you put on your new headers when you installed this new frame.

Got me thinking ....

Michael

[Build-It-Break-it]

Originally Posted by Sonar Chief

Question: do you have any pics of the header ground clearance w your new subframe? I am assuming you put on your new headers when you installed this new frame.

Got me thinking ....

Michael

Scroll down to post number 12 in link below, it has pretty good pictures.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...t=52686&page=2

[Sonar Chief]

Hey I saw those ... wondering if Ben had any side views of the header/ collector ground clearance?

Michael

[Ben@SpeedTech]

ask and it shall be given unto you.

Here are a couple pics I took. The first shows the subframe is about 3 3/4" off the ground. The camera is angled up a bit and the headers look like they hang lower than they do. The second pic shows actual header to frame rail relationship. I'm too old and busted up to crawl under and get a measurement at the collector but it's maybe around 3 1/2"? That's pretty decent considering how low the car is.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Originally Posted by grendel

very tempting.

Our R&D guys designed it and then we brought Ron Sutton in to hash out the geometry #s with us to create the best subframe on the planet. I heard you're talking with Ron about setting up your Camaro, save your money and a few phone calls, his best effort is already done.

[rebelceb]

kind of odd to say this about such a wide wheel, but those rears look really out of proportion compared to how the fronts fill out the fender wells. i think you missed the boat there.

otherwise, the car is beautiful!

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Thanks for your thoughts. Do you mean the tires or wheels? Roger likes the deep rear offset look so although the wheels are almost the same width they look completely different. The shallow offset of the front wheel is the only way to stuff an 11" wheel and 315 tire under a 69 Camaro without modifying the fenders.

As far as tires go, there is often no real advantage to a wider tire on the rear unless the rear suspension is designed for it. Consider that a well set up car has a front suspension that does the work and the rear suspension faithfully follows the front. Some chassis builders like Ron Sutton have actually run a slightly wider tire up front with great success. Again it depends on how the suspension is set up. When possible we actually prefer to run the same size all around on cars that will race. 315s out back is no big deal with a minitub. But this is the whole reason the new Extreme frames and chassis are being designed specifically to fit a 315 up front too. RedZed could easily swallow a 335 out back (it had 345s under it before) but the 315 gives it a better balanced feel on the track. In the main brands of competitive "sticky" 200 tw tires the 315 is readily available too. Another obvious reason for the same size all around is for rotation purposes. I run the same 9.5" wheel and 275 tire all around on my car so I can easily swap them around after each race. On RedZed we'll simply remove and swap the tires on the wheels after races. More even wear means your investment lasts longer.

I think running larger rear tires on a pro touring car is mostly a bleed off of our old ways of thinking, muscle cars with as wide a tire out back as we can squeeze under it, and something skinnier up front, ...function follows form. In today's competition based pro touring cars the case more often than not is such that form hopefully keeps up with function, right?

[CamaroAJ]

I think he's talking about how far the rear wheels are set into the wheel well causing that giant gap from the quarter to the wheel.

Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech

The way it looks here. I think its just the angle and lighting though.

[rebelceb]

Originally Posted by CamaroAJ

I think he's talking about how far the rear wheels are set into the wheel well causing that giant gap from the quarter to the wheel.



The way it looks here. I think its just the angle and lighting though.

That's exactly what I was saying, just didn't describe it correctly.

I also didn't intend to come across as being harsh or anything either, but reading my comment again it seems like I did. The car is beautiful, it just doesn't seem like it fills it out like others do.

Like AJ said, may be lighting and angle though.

[Zoomin]

Ben, is possible to run inner fenders with 315's? I realize mods will be necessary, but reasonable?