Shooting in Connecticut

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by sniper

Original intent was to have a document and basis of rights to keep our federal government in check NO MATTER WHAT THE CRISIS OF THE CURRENT TIME is. No matter how many shootings, school or otherwise happen, there is NO basis for gun control.

So, felons should be able to have guns? The mentally ill? Not only that, but they should be able to have RPGs and automatic weapons right?

You can control guns without banning anything but pro gun rights people refuse to acknowledge that since they feel like if they give an inch someone would take a mile.

If the NRA would just accept background searches for all sales, chances are you could avoid a ban on anything but they won't and so they may end up with both.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by realcoray

So, felons should be able to have guns? The mentally ill? Not only that, but they should be able to have RPGs and automatic weapons right?

Felons have guns and always will, habitual felons on the catch and release program thanks to over "correction facility" crowding.

The mentally have guns, thanks to the felons and careless family and friends. A good friend of mine Chris Kilcullen (motorcycle cop) was shot and killed not to long ago by an older female mental case during a traffic stop. Freak shot one round, in the arm pit above his body amour that hit him in the heart. 5 shot snub-nose revolver with .38 wadcutter ammunition. Not high cap, not semi-auto, not full auto, not the feared "cop killer" bullets. Target practice ammunition.

Not sure on the RPG's but the local pot growers in Lance County and adjacent county's are protecting their crops with full auto weapons. They don't abide by the current laws yet you believe new and improved ones will change that?

My 14 year old son is has mental issues and I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about our kitchen knives and baseball bats than firearms. If someone breaks into your place while you're sleeping are your weapons properly secured?

[GregWeld]

The entire argument about MORE LAWS are needed is so senseless...


What more law do you need than -- It's against the law to murder people.


Like a guy that is a murderer cares about gun laws? Or any other law for that matter.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

The entire argument about MORE LAWS are needed is so senseless...

What more law do you need than -- It's against the law to murder people.

Like a guy that is a murderer cares about gun laws? Or any other law for that matter.

My perception is that until the punishment is severe enough to get the criminals attention the laws are worthless.

Singapore's system is relatively effective from my limited research.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Sieg

My perception is that until the punishment is severe enough to get the criminals attention the laws are worthless.

Singapore's system is relatively effective from my limited research.

Again, criminals do not think like we do. They have no fear in punishment. Most are return criminals or from a criminal familly and know how the system works. They just know that they will do what it takes to get away with a crime.

I believe the only way to fix the problem is dealing with the root cause. Before they lead to criminal life style.

As far as the laws, they are there. They do not work or apply to criminals. They apply to purchasers. Car thieves don't go to dealerships or used car lots for cars. They steal cars.

[sniper]

Originally Posted by realcoray

So, felons should be able to have guns? The mentally ill? Not only that, but they should be able to have RPGs and automatic weapons right?

First of all you admit that there are different severity of felons. A guy who broke the clean air act by doing illegal state inspections is not the same as a guy who robbed a bank. But even so, by becoming a felon you surrender some of your rights. You have proven an inability to conform to a basic society without infringing on the rights of someone else. If you want to try and equate that type of person with others whom act fairly normal than go ahead.
Personally I could care less if a felon has a gun. Why is that my business? If they want a gun, they will get one illegally anyway. A background check isn't going to stop them.

A friend of mine is a felon. Does he not have the right to protect himself and his family?

Originally Posted by realcoray

You can control guns without banning anything but pro gun rights people refuse to acknowledge that since they feel like if they give an inch someone would take a mile.

"feel" Do you know who the POTUS will be in 50 years? Patriot act anyone?

[intocarss]

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

[GregWeld]

That's a very interesting and informative slide show. Thanks for posting it.

Of course -- no matter the actual FACTS.... the tree hugging anti gun folks will just argue that ALL GUNS should be taken away from everyone "since there is no need for anyone to have one". Ultimately we know that's the real goal of a large swath of America.

[intocarss]

http://www.thecommentator.com/articl...cation_of_guns

[out2kayak]

Hmm... Food for thought: