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Mkelcy · #**441** 12-10-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb

you never disappoint.

Jody, if you'd just weigh in on the substance, rather than the tone, we might get somewhere. Greg feels free to state, with no objection from you or anyone else here, that I need to get more information than I can gleen from TV news, and that's just fine. I mention Fox News, and you all get up in arms. Got double standard much?

**GregWeld** · #**442** 12-10-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkelcy

That's pretty funny because I've tried to engage you on who the real drivers of the economy are, and you "surrender," and then talk about all the folks you're keeping employed building a car trailer.

New housing starts at an annual rate of approximately 900,000 units in November mean jobs for housing construction, furniture, appliances, cars, schools, etc. We need consumers to buy those houses, which the "job creators" building them apparently think will be there, even in this Obama dominated economy.

You may think that car trailers, yachts and wine cellars for the 1% are the drivers of the economy, but that's simply not the case. Without consumers, there are no jobs. Perhaps you disagree and can explain why; or perhaps you disagree but can't explain why.

Here's the simple non-semantic assertion - without consumers, there are no jobs, and putting more dollars in the hands of the lower and middle class more directly translates to consumer spending and, yes, jobs.

Notice, no semantics, just clear assertions based on facts. But feel free to "surrender" again and preach to the true believers about the 47% leeches who are destroying this country.

I'm pretty sure that what I was saying is that I don't care to engage YOU. I love to discuss all kinds of stuff. I'm just not going to do so with YOU. You're like a drunk guy in the bar - you just want to pick a fight. I'm not interested in discussions like that.

**GregWeld** · #**443** 12-10-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkelcy

Jody, if you'd just weigh in on the substance, rather than the tone, we might get somewhere. Greg feels free to state, with no objection from you or anyone else here, that I need to get more information than I can gleen from TV news, and that's just fine. I mention Fox News, and you all get up in arms. Got double standard much?

I'm a LARGER supporting member. Back to that 1% vs 47%....

**camcojb** · #**444** 12-10-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkelcy

Jody, if you'd just weigh in on the substance, rather than the tone, we might get somewhere. Greg feels free to state, with no objection from you or anyone else here, that I need to get more information than I can gleen from TV news, and that's just fine. I mention Fox News, and you all get up in arms. Got double standard much?

not a double standard at all Mike. I've let this one go, but then you have to go directly to "reach arounds". No excuse for that. You're the only one going to that level.

Mkelcy · #**445** 12-10-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

I'm pretty sure that what I was saying is that I don't care to engage YOU. I love to discuss all kinds of stuff. I'm just not going to do so with YOU. You're like a drunk guy in the bar - you just want to pick a fight. I'm not interested in discussions like that.

I get that, many folks would prefer to avoid discussing an issue with someone who both disagrees and can muster facts rather than reaping the praise of the adoring sycophants.

Have at it, I won't bother trying to introduce facts into your wealthy guy pity party any more.

Bucketlist2012 · #**446** 12-10-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb

not double standard at all Mike. I've let this one go, but then you have to go directly to "reach arounds". No excuse for that. You're the only one going to that level.

That is the point I have been making..Nothing wrong with others that have different opinions, it is how it is stated..

The "tone" and insults cannot be denied...I don't care how many facts someone wants to try to impress people with, if they post like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum no one is going to take them serious...

And the Fox reference is not taken as an insult, but rather as a Liberal talking point.

And the reach around comment ? I did not expect anything less from the guy...He is a classic example of a extremist leftist...No better than a extremist from the right...No better at all..

realcoray · #**447** 12-10-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

That would qualify handily in my book! Then if "they" would modify Obamacare to create some cost controls in healthcare....he'd be the guy I voted for in 2008.

What sort of cost controls?

You know I work in a business related to health care and the fascinating thing that I've learned since being exposed to it is how very dependent health care providers are on government help.

Here's an example. If you are a health care provider, the government will pay you 44k to adopt electronic health records and demonstrate you're using them. That's 44k PER doctor. The software to do that is not cheap but many facilities profit from the program.

Now, in a year or two, if you haven't switched over the government will start to penalize you. Now, how can they do that, that encourages people to switch? Cut medicare payments by 1%. It goes up from there, but a 1% cut in medicare payment is a legitimate incentive to these places to sometimes spend millions of dollars to be ready to avoid not getting that 1%.

In essence, any tweak at all to medicare reimbursements causes doctors to not be pleased.

A major source of cost increases is useless tests and imaging that occurs. Everyone who bonks their head, demands a MRI and hospitals LOVE that because while the machines do cost millions, it's a huge profit center for them.

The difficulty here is who can step in and question the need for the MRI. You don't want your insurance being a dick when you legitimately need one, and the hospital is unlikely to police themselves, in particularly with a procedure with nearly no risk of being sued and some risk of being sued if you miss something.

Of course being sued is part of the cost of health care and should probably be looked at, but you have to balance things out. On one hand everyone makes mistakes but a doctors mistakes can mean your family member died. They should probably be capped or some sort of sliding scale of awards, I'm not sure. I can say that the doctors most likely to be sued for malpractice, make the most money to compensate for that.

Bucketlist2012 · #**448** 12-10-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkelcy

I get that, many folks would prefer to avoid discussing an issue with someone who both disagrees and can muster facts rather than reaping the praise of the adoring sycophants.

Have at it, I won't bother trying to introduce facts into your wealthy guy pity party any more.

Your posts are why no one takes you seriously....You went off the edge and you cannot crawl back up...

No one takes you serious anymore. And you are to blame. you see RealCorey doesn't agree with us, but the way he discusses things makes us want to discuss things with him...He posts like an adult, you don't..BIG difference..

We can continue discussing opposing views with an Adult, Real Corey...He doesn't agree with some of us, but it is a pleasure to exchange ideas with him..You, like greg says, the drunk at the bar...No one listens...You want to be heard ? Change your attitude..

**camcojb** · #**449** 12-10-2012, 11:11 PM

let's get this back on track so we don't have to shut it down.

Bucketlist2012 · #**450** 12-10-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb

let's get this back on track so we don't have to shut it down.

You bet

I will be exiting stage left..

After all,this is a CAR site...