Shooting in Connecticut

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by Ketzer

I don't think any media outlet can be fully trusted.

How do we really figure out if we are being duped by media, Washington, NRA, etc.... I know what feels right in mind. I've read and agree with alot of the opinions expressed here. I am not completely closed off to opposing views, but I know what the world out there is like. It is not warm and fuzzy. You cannot restrict and put more laws on the lawful and expect to stop the unlawful.

Jeff-

Jeff...I want to hang out with you.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Ketzer

I don't think any media outlet can be fully trusted.

How do we really figure out if we are being duped by media, Washington, NRA, etc.... I know what feels right in mind. I've read and agree with alot of the opinions expressed here. I am not completely closed off to opposing views, but I know what the world out there is like. It is not warm and fuzzy. You cannot restrict and put more laws on the lawful and expect to stop the unlawful.

Jeff-

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Jeff...I want to hang out with you.

I'll buy the beverages

[parsonsj]

Jody, that's my guess too: that a more universal background check for gun sales is instituted, along with better cooperation from the states.

I hope we end up with an ATF that has a commissioner and renewed vigor to pursue criminal gun sales and the like.

[Ketzer]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Jeff...I want to hang out with you.

Originally Posted by Sieg

I'll buy the beverages

I'll spring for the snacks!

Jeff-

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Sieg

I'll buy the beverages

Originally Posted by Ketzer

I'll spring for the snacks!

Jeff-

I got dibs on the brass.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

I have to laugh and shake my head in disbelief at the number of people who bite on the media's B.S. They do nothing but stir emotion and play on the results. Anyone who thinks the media is presenting anything in it's full truth and then forming an opinion based on that info is a moron.

People need to do their own research, educate on facts and make informed decisions. Seriously....read a book.

books take too long....editing, rewrite and then publish. I think some need to just plain go outside and get cultured.

[Tony_SS]

Originally Posted by parsonsj

I hope we end up with an ATF that has a commissioner and renewed vigor to pursue criminal gun sales and the like.

Lanza didn't buy any guns. He stole them.

In he midst of all this gun control hysteria, people are proposing laws that would not have even prevented this tragedy.

[parsonsj]

Originally Posted by Tony

In he midst of all this gun control hysteria, people are proposing laws that would not have even prevented this tragedy.

I wasn't proposing any laws; I was suggesting we give our main agency charged with investigating criminal gun behavior more tools to do their job.

Isn't the main argument many make that making new laws won't affect criminal behavior? Why wouldn't we welcome better crime-fighting efforts targeted at criminals with illegal guns?

As far as Lanza goes, his killing spree brought a spotlight on gun law enforcement, and our country has been found wanting: there are millions of guns obtained from illegal activity and in criminal hands. Let's enforce our existing laws, and give the ATF what it needs.

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by parsonsj

I wasn't proposing any laws; I was suggesting we give our main agency charged with investigating criminal gun behavior more tools to do their job.

Isn't the main argument many make that making new laws won't affect criminal behavior? Why wouldn't we welcome better crime-fighting efforts targeted at criminals with illegal guns?

As far as Lanza goes, his killing spree brought a spotlight on gun law enforcement, and our country has been found wanting: there are millions of guns obtained from illegal activity and in criminal hands. Let's enforce our existing laws, and give the ATF what it needs.

I agree. That's why the latest reduced capacity magazine laws make no sense. They do not affect criminals, they only handicap legal owners using a gun in self-defense.

[Ketzer]

Originally Posted by camcojb

I agree. That's why the latest reduced capacity magazine laws make no sense. They do not affect criminals, they only handicap legal owners using a gun in self-defense.

And then there's the argument of why you need 30 rounds to "defend" yourself... spoken by folks who've never seen a young entrepenuer with three 9mm slugs in him, run a half mile to his auntie's house and hide in the closet. "Yeah, dispatch... his belly hurts 'cause it's got these three new orifices oozing blood..."



Jeff-