9 sec pt cars

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Junkie

Ive very familiar with the underground racing cars. Ive currently got a TT Viper street car. Just because it is new doesn't mean it is comfy or a nice "street" car by any means. The Lambo's those guys build are CRAZY after seeing them at the Mile i would love to have one but for the money i would personally rather build exactly what i want out of an older car.

I never said i ran 8's, i said my goal is an 8 second ET and well over 200mph in the texas mile while being able to drive the car out to dinner, to car meets, to anything i really want. Why do you have a problem with those goals?

I don't!! Don't get me wrong -- it's always hard to impart "attitude" in a blog - or post -- I'm having FUN discussing this... I'm not trying to beat you down or prove my point -- RATHER -- I'm discussing how truly difficult it is... not saying you can't or you won't - or anything like that. My apologies if that's the way I came across!

[Junkie]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I don't!! Don't get me wrong -- it's always hard to impart "attitude" in a blog - or post -- I'm having FUN discussing this... I'm not trying to beat you down or prove my point -- RATHER -- I'm discussing how truly difficult it is... not saying you can't or you won't - or anything like that. My apologies if that's the way I came across!

well ive been racing cars for awhile and breaking parts along the way, i know that my goals are VERY large and not easy to obtain but i think that is kind of the cool part about it. I personally don't mind driving a complicated transmission on the street (I'm sure my trans choice will make a lot of ppl say "racecar") but its better then breaking a T56 every few months. A nice BBC and procharger, the right gear, and suspension i don't see why one of these cars wont be able to go well into the 8's and at least 210mph in the standing mile. My Viper with only 800ish at the tires went 207 on the limiter, if i had a taller tire or different gear it would have went faster.

The combo will just have to be nailed, the only thing i cant really figure out as of now is the wheel/tire combo for the street and Mile runs and what to do about Aero, if anything. This is where i could really use some advice, i know Big Red was able to achieve well over 200mph but that was over a longer stretch of road then I'm trying to do it on.

[jr421]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

JR -- Check out the "pump gas drags" -- where the cars are driven on the street - get a limited amount of gas - and a couple are "into" the 8's... Many of the "street cars" couldn't even finish the 30 mile drive to the track... I can't imagine them competing in an auto cross -- or being "drivable" at 200 mph... Which BTW to me is not "hitting 200 mph" but driving a flying mile at 200... big difference from "hitting" 200....

I have read of this event and you are very correct, alot of the cars barely or don't make it through the cruise section of the event. Lets face it a drag car is a drag car, they are very specific to a task. At least when you are building a PT car it has similar atributes to a road/track car, stance wide tires ect. The drag race guys HATE turns!

[Tweaked Zed]

Originally Posted by jr421

I have read of this event and you are very correct, alot of the cars barely or don't make it through the cruise section of the event. Lets face it a drag car is a drag car, they are very specific to a task. At least when you are building a PT car it has similar atributes to a road/track car, stance wide tires ect. The drag race guys HATE turns!

And the PT guys hate short straightaways..... this is an old topic for sure. But everyone has very good points. The only way to do it all is to either build two (or three) different cars, or decide what you like doing best and build for that. I've gone too far with my 95 to enjoy it alot on the highway, but can still do a highway trip no problem with the T56. This is a 9-second car, and still has full leather interior. But it's not quiet.... hence not overly enjoyable on a trip. The 69 will be quiet, have AC, T56, and stereo and WILL be enjoyable to drive everywhere and go around corners. It is funny I'm making the 69 everything that the 95 WAS..... IQ of a houseplant right here. But it will never be a track car because that necessitates removing all the options and weight. Remember that. Settle for only one goal.... or buy three cars!

[6spdcamaro]

I think vinnie has a set of forgelines with street tires, and he has a ccw drag pack with skinnies in the front. I haven't watched that video in a while so all i remembered was 9:somthin,somthin. I think it's unrealistic to get a car on (real) street tires in the 9's. A 9:98's still pretty good considering he does well in the autocross

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Is he running DIFFERENT tires than he runs on the street?

The cars at OPTIMA could not change suspension settings - and could not change tires... To me (IMHO) this is a big difference... because if you can do all this on ONE SET of STREET tires and wheels... that's pretty dang impressive!

Vinnies car is very impressive by the way -- nice job! You could tell from the smile on his face HE LOVES IT... and after all... that's all that really counts.

[speedjohnston]

Originally Posted by Junkie

well ive been racing cars for awhile and breaking parts along the way, i know that my goals are VERY large and not easy to obtain but i think that is kind of the cool part about it. I personally don't mind driving a complicated transmission on the street (I'm sure my trans choice will make a lot of ppl say "racecar") but its better then breaking a T56 every few months. A nice BBC and procharger, the right gear, and suspension i don't see why one of these cars wont be able to go well into the 8's and at least 210mph in the standing mile. My Viper with only 800ish at the tires went 207 on the limiter, if i had a taller tire or different gear it would have went faster.

The combo will just have to be nailed, the only thing i cant really figure out as of now is the wheel/tire combo for the street and Mile runs and what to do about Aero, if anything. This is where i could really use some advice, i know Big Red was able to achieve well over 200mph but that was over a longer stretch of road then I'm trying to do it on.

Big Red used to hit about 222mph or something like that many years ago. Off the top of my head I think he hit 204ish mph in the mile. Some of the 1 mile venues will only allow specific tires once your speeds get higher, so be carefull and check with them first. I have a similar engine combo (581bbc with a F2) built for high speed road racing/drag/one mile events in a second gen camaro and done lots of research on aero. I also talked to Keith Turk who held records in land speed racing and I believe he recomended the drag radial, I bought the M/T 345/35/18's. I'll change them to something else if I have to before I go. He also recomended as low as possible in the front with a slight rake to the back and some speed rated thin tires up front. The bigger tires probably will help you get off the line but they will end up hurting top end, and since its speed based not time based, smaller may be a little better. The other issue is the gearing and the most likely for me was going to be a gear vendor and some 3.00 or 2.80 gears. There are so many factors I could go on and on....

[ProdigyCustoms]

Originally Posted by Junkie

So what would you consider an 8 second muscle car that can be driven anywhere with all the luxuries of a newer more comfortable car. AC/Heater/sound system/comfy interior, etc.... That can also go well over 200 in the mile? It doesn't sound like that fits the bill for "protouring" Handling has never been my biggest concern hence my starting off with a prostreet based car and turning it more to the street side, but making enough power to go do whatever i would like to do.

Keep in mind you are on the Latera-G forum and the G is for handling. So guys here are looking for somethig that handles and runs the dragstrip.

It would really take some serious talent and ingenuity to do 8 second ET's, handling to compete with the best PT cars, 200 mile Maxton and total streetability.

The Trans Am was brought up, but as mentioned that car never really did road coarse or autocross that we know of. At least not that any of use seen. Seemed like more of a sledge hammer with 18s on it to me.

Vinny is king right now as I have seen that car kick ass on the autocross, WIN the autocross, and be the fastest car at the dragstrip to. I suspect if he lowers that dragstrip number to 9.60 as Jake is predicting (and i agree), I think someone better do some serious planning to knock that off.

All I know is you guys are making me want to knock the dust of my street drag car, that's for sure!

[Vegas69]

You've been saying that since I met you.

[parsonsj]

Originally Posted by Frank

It would really take some serious talent and ingenuity to do 8 second ET's, handling to compete with the best PT cars, 200 mile Maxton and total streetability.

I think you'd need an unfair advantage to pull that off.

jp

[Greg from Aus]

Originally Posted by parsonsj

I think you'd need an unfair advantage to pull that off.

jp

Yes I think you would need a real unfair advantage, hey guys

Greg