Shooting in Connecticut

[Fluid Power]

This is a great article. Written in May of 2010. Take a second and read:

http://www.policeone.com/active-shoo...emy-is-denial/

It is very hard to argue with this guys logic. Just simple training for all the teachers and office staff.

Darren

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I wasn't going to turn this into a gun control discussion just due to the fact that children were killed and it makes me feel selfish to add but I can't sit here without saying something. I am not trying to take away from what happened. I do not know the circumstances that lead to the killings, I do not know how this killer got his hands on these firewarms when they should be locked up by the owner, but here is how I feel.

I don't know why people keep screaming gun control after a shooting. Actually I do know why I just don't know why people forget a few weeks later. Most weapons used in these mass killings or any crimes against humanities are stolen or obtained illegally. Gun control does nothing to control illegal activity. A president was killed, a senator was shot in the head, and nothing was done about it. The cry for gun control gets loud then gets silenced by high gas prices or another media storm. I do believe something should be done but lets look deeper.

I believe we should be looking at our societies Medical and educational situation. Also our own tendency towards violence. Look back in history at how we have introduced our own children to violence. Violent cartoons of the 30's, Cowboy's / Indians place sets, GI Joe's, Whack a mole, Mortal Combat, Call of Duty and so on.....I once thought that it would not affect a persons behavior but after seeing how my younger family members and other children behave I can't help but wonder what it does to a 10 year olds moral compass. I don't think desensitizing a child to death, killing and looking into an enemy soldiers eyes as the life leaves his body is a positive thing.

I will admit, I don't have the answers but gun control is not the answer. What shall we do, confiscate every gun ever made? Stop industries from making more?
Laws can't get strickter... Lets look at the rules that I abide to.
If I am a felon or have a metal disorder, I cannot own a firearm.
I have to pass a test, FBI background check and carry a gun card.
My guns that were purchased are registered with the government
guns are to be locked up in an approved safe when at home.
guns in transit are to be locked up.
guns outside are not to be exposed and in a locked case.
I cannot travel within 1000 yards of a school while carrying.
Cannot have ammo chambered unless I am at a gun range.

I have several guns in my locked safe, carry one daily in a locked case and I have never had the thought of using it to kill anything not threatening my livelihood or family. Its is not a weapon CACHE, its a collection.

The question came up earlier...."why have a military type weapon?"
They are not a military weapons, these are civilian sporting guns and a gun is a gun no matter what configuration. Its funny, I have had a Remington hunting rifle for years and I bought and installed a black synthetic stock. I go the the range the next week and its automaticly looked at as an assult rifle.

Again, I agree this was a tragic event and it has effected us all. I have a 17 month old and I would do what ever I had to do to keep him safe but you just never know what is going to happen, all we can do is prevent and prepare.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Indeed, but don't you think that it's a lot easier to kill 20+ people with a rapid fire high capacity gun versus a knife? Show me a knife attack anywhere in the ballpark of one of these school shootings.

Bombings are completely different in that to achieve the same effect would require a tremendous amount of work and planning, including things that could tip the police off in advance.

I see guns being valid for two reasons, hunting and self defense. I don't think you need an uzi or something for either, and I think you don't need 19+ round clips for either.

I agree with you but where does it end?

The whole round count argument means nothing. The argument should be keeping the criminals and metally damaged from doing what they do. And how do we stop creating more criminals?

The round count argument is like saying "street racing is killing people so we will limit car engines to 4 cylinders". No matter how many cylinders you have the criminals will continue to use 4 or 8. Laws only stop the law abiding.

[nicks67ca]

This is my friends family-

Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.


"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by nicks67ca

This is my friends family-

Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.


"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

breaks my heart nick, I broke down when I first saw the news....a young couple just learned his child was killed....the husband just dropped to his knees. I will never forget this.

[GregWeld]

I just read that Diane Feinstein wants to introduce legislation regarding "guns or multi shot magazines" etc.


I wrote to her office - even though I do not live in California - to suggest that rather than "grandstanding" -- why doesn't she work on a bill to have an armed guard at EVERY ENTRANCE to schools? In other words -- rather than just passing another useless law -- why not work to pass a law that might actually do some good?

Making laws against criminals never seems to work real well... Prohibition? Yeah that worked well.... or maybe the drug laws? That's working great for the Mexican cartels... hasn't seemed to stop the flow of drugs yet though. Last time I checked there's laws against robbing banks... I also seem to read about one daily.

[WSSix]

The biggest thing that bothers me about all these school and mass shootings is the reaction of the victims. No one fights back. I'm not expecting anyone to be a hero or know the proper way to take out someone with an assault rifle, but cowering in the corner like a sheep is not acceptable. Unfortunately, I feel people in this country have been indoctrinated to believe that government, be it a police officer or a "bold" Congressman enacting some legislation, will protect them from all that is evil. That the acceptable response when faced with danger is to do nothing but wait for the "professional" or the protector to save the day and your life. I believe punishing the victim of bullying that finally stands up to their bully to the same extent as the bully is mindless and wrong. Defending yourself should not be left to the "professionals" or the police. Teaching people that is wrong. Punishing a person for defending themselves is even worse. Thinking that evil doesn't exist or that when confronted with someone determined to harm or kill you that talking it out, as if there's simply some misunderstanding, is a proper response is foolish and leads to more deaths. Your life is your own and no one else's. It's the one thing you cannot lose. Why would you not fight for it? You certainly should never feel bad about defending it. You should soundly reject any idea or belief that says you should leave it completely in the hands of another person or group of people that swear benevolence and a rapid response time.

[glassman]

As I sit here watching the Raider game, reading this, I remember seeing armed Oakland police officers and armed Deputy's (of which I have direct family of and at) at all the games. And these games are "R" rated (don't go anymore due to this reason). And these are sports events. I think schools are WAY MORE important to protect. The innocence and vulnerability of the children. When evil and mental health cross "pollinate" we have this.

They were his moms guns, and they led to her demise as well. I remember seeing them handcuff and haul away the brother for questioning, he looked lost. After all, he just lost his mom and brother (although his brother must of been gone long ago to do this).

Unfortunately, I seriously doubt legal action will change anything, just watch tv or the video games or the news.....it goes on and on. I like what Todd said about mentoring the fatherless, it does help. Think of all of the "could of beens" if we didn't have mentors, pastors, counselers, coaches etc....

[glassman]

Trey, from what I've heard, the principal was lunging toward him when he shot her up. Hopefully that's the truth, I do believe heroism still exists, flight 95 ( if what was reported was true)

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by WSSix

The biggest thing that bothers me about all these school and mass shootings is the reaction of the victims. No one fights back. I'm not expecting anyone to be a hero or know the proper way to take out someone with an assault rifle, but cowering in the corner like a sheep is not acceptable. Unfortunately, I feel people in this country have been indoctrinated to believe that government, be it a police officer or a "bold" Congressman enacting some legislation, will protect them from all that is evil. That the acceptable response when faced with danger is to do nothing but wait for the "professional" or the protector to save the day and your life. I believe punishing the victim of bullying that finally stands up to their bully to the same extent as the bully is mindless and wrong. Defending yourself should not be left to the "professionals" or the police. Teaching people that is wrong. Punishing a person for defending themselves is even worse. Thinking that evil doesn't exist or that when confronted with someone determined to harm or kill you that talking it out, as if there's simply some misunderstanding, is a proper response is foolish and leads to more deaths. Your life is your own and no one else's. It's the one thing you cannot lose. Why would you not fight for it? You certainly should never feel bad about defending it. You should soundly reject any idea or belief that says you should leave it completely in the hands of another person or group of people that swear benevolence and a rapid response time.

The principal of the school ran at the gunman and tried to disarm him. She was shot and killed. She and the other teachers and staff of that school risked their lives to save the chilren put in their care. Six female (no male) staff at the school were killed, several while trying to stop the gunman. Those women were heros in the truest sense of the word.