I'm Starting Some Trouble....

[GregWeld]

I just look at it this way --- it's HOT RODDING -- which means you use whatever you can afford - or makes sense - or someone gives you - or you have laying around. In hot rodding -- there was NEVER any brand loyalty.... it was a Caddy motor in your Merc if that's what a guy had.... or a Olds in your '32 Ford....


We use FORD 9" because for the most part they're cheap - easy - strong as hell - and you can get all the brake parts etc for them you could ever want...


I know that Roy was cringing silently when I said what motor I wanted to use in the '33... but when he drives it -- he'll be singing the LS Motors praises! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- I'm serious!

[WSSix]

Jerry, we need more info on the C2 build using that motor. That's gorgeous! Seriously, we need more pictures and info

[FETorino]

Two things.

A Ford Modular motor is a versatile package that has proven dependable and has plenty of performance potential.

It is a wide package and so doesn't make sense in some applications such as GWs 33.

Ford started putting EFI on the 5.0 in 1980. They refined this motor until 96 or 97 when they switched to the mod motor in the Mustang. You can build a Windsor with all kinds of potential and streetability using either Ford or aftermarket parts.

Fords little 5.0 reignited the pony car wars and reintroduced hp with EFI and emissions standards.

But if you want more that 500hp from a factory crate motor Ford Windsors are not for you. You can build one easy enough but you need to hook up with a good builder.


Chevy kept at the pushrod v8 and so was born the LS. They have kept refining it to the level it is today. So from the factory you can buy a well mannered high hp OEM engine for a decent price. And this engine shares the same basic dimensions as SBX from the 50s. So you get equal modern refinement to the Mod motor in a plug and play for old car size, can't deny it.

They run well and don't leak so I agree with greg hood down for a car you drive a lot they are a good package. But open the hood and they look like crap. They also never sound as good as say an SB2 or a SBF.

So pick your poison.

GW just likes LS motors and for good reason. But an EFI Windsor could have delivered everything he wanted. It's not like an LS is the only option although it is probably the easy way out if you don't care what is under the hood.

[GregWeld]

Totally agree on the FUGLY Rob!


No way I'd put one in a can and open the hood....


But I think once a guy drives one -- they work so damn well.... that the Fugly becomes a love affair.

[uxojerry]

I havnt posted the photo in awhile because Im slowly amassing the final parts for the build. All of the new parts are paid for and should be arriving soon. I am working in Asia and the car is in Tx. Im not in a rush to complete as it will just sit in my garage.



That is an 8 stack efi good to 1000hp. In the photo the SBC 427 dynod at 565fwhp. That wasnt sufficient, so it is getting custom ported afr 245s, solid roller cam, 1:7 shaft rockers and a Meth/Water injection system to run pump gas and higher compression. C2 build summary:

SBC 427 efi
T56 Magnum with final drive of .50
Mccleod Twin Disc
Street Shop custom chassis with QA1s and D44HD irs @ 3:55
Baer 6Ps
18x10 and 18x12 billet specialties wheels with Pilot Sport Tires
Fender Flares from Sermersheim
Hydro-boost
ISIS wiring, Dakota digital dash and LED tail lights
6pt roll bar
Corbeau seats for 5 pt harness
Car will reamain sunflower yellow.

C3 is a 68 Coupe rolling body with no birdcage rust, no photos handy. The C3 will be done in L88 fashion with a BBC/efi and T56. A big bore short stroke motor will used to keep the torque down and preserve the T56 and irs.

WS6 that W motor in the C2 is not mine. It is another build in the Corvette C1/C2 forum section.

[FETorino]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Totally agree on the FUGLY Rob!


No way I'd put one in a can and open the hood....


But I think once a guy drives one -- they work so damn well.... that the Fugly becomes a love affair.

I was being kind when I said Ugly but yes FUGLY is more appropriate.

I just always find it funny though how little imagination and $$ is often used in choosing a motor package vs say hood hinges and door handles.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by FETorino

GW just likes LS motors and for good reason. But an EFI Windsor could have delivered everything he wanted. It's not like an LS is the only option although it is probably the easy way out if you don't care what is under the hood.

I suggested this one........

[GregWeld]

Okay --- I'm sorry --- but I got a good chuckle out of you describing a 427 SBC as a "short stroke"... and yes I've had a couple of them.

Best motor I ever built was when I DESTROKED my 427 to a 408... and put Dart 180cc heads on it... that bad boy made the same HP but had considerably more torque down in the range where it made the most fun motor I've ever owned. 525 #'s of TQ at 4600 rpms.... It was all out of air at 5600...

Oh - that and it actually had some oil control.

[uxojerry]

The SBC is not a short stroke. The SBC 427 is a 4" stroke x 4.125" bore. The BBC will be a 4.6" bore x 3.75" stroke 499ci, or most likely a 4.6" x 4" stroke 532ci. Max stroke on a short deck BBC is 4.5" with some massaging, ie a BBC 598.

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by FETorino

I was being kind when I said Ugly but yes FUGLY is more appropriate.

You can't just label LS engines fugly...