Discussion about the actual resale value of a Pro-touring car

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by CamaroMike

I have only seen one on the street in the past year

Mike, When was the last time you saw a 1978 Camaro on the road (that wasn't yours). I live in So Cal, and I have only seen a couple in 3 years I have been there. BUT, when I go to the car shows in particular recently Hot August nights, tons and tons of 67-69 Camaros. Literally ZERO 1974-81 Camaros and only 5 or so 70-73s and I was there all week.

[Tom.A]

In my opinion 45-60K first gen Camaro would be a good seller. Most people don't understand 14" rotors or adjustable shocks much less ever drive the car to that level. Some at this site here understand the value but if they are here chances are they are building something already. Many of us can buy the $1500 part here or there over years..others here can just write a check.
You want the 50 something guy returning to his glory days with extra who needs instant gratification.

1) Decent paint,
2) Nice wheels with correct stance
3) mini tub is worth it imo. They just look way cooler. Sorry but a 275 on a Camaro in back just is not as cool as a 315/335 set up.
4) Nice thumping cam is likely a good choice also.

I still think many would sell in the above range even with old school SBC with EFI.

Badazz28, I am in Southern Ca. also and I think the smog laws are why you don't see that era of Camaro on the road. It is just a hassle and no one wants to stick with 170 HP V8 came with.

Rodger,

I agree I have also seen some good deals out there but we must remember many are slapped together turn and burn cars.

One thing I know is that if I would have put the same amount of time/money that I put into my chevelle into a first gen Camaro I could sell it for far more $$. Building a PT car will pigeon hole you. My car is fully caged no a/c or heater. No radio and frankly not ideal cruiser for those reasons. It is LS3 powered and I could drive it anywhere and trust it but it is not relaxing. I could change it back but why don't you buy it and work your quick magic since I have little time for it.
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[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by Tom.A

My car is fully caged no a/c or heater. No radio and frankly not ideal cruiser for those reasons. It is LS3 powered and I could drive it anywhere and trust it but it is not relaxing.
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Tom! Long time no see brother!!

Yeah that bad boy may have a full cage, no a/c, heater or radio... but it's a lot of fun!! Some of the best autocross lap at RTTC2!!

[Tom.A]

Originally Posted by Spiffav8

Tom! Long time no see brother!!

Yeah that bad boy may have a full cage, no a/c, heater or radio... but it's a lot of fun!! Some of the best autocross lap at RTTC2!!

Thanks Curtis. I have been watching your round two build and it looks good

[ironworks]

Originally Posted by Tom.A

In my opinion 45-60K first gen Camaro would be a good seller. Most people don't understand 14" rotors or adjustable shocks much less ever drive the car to that level. Some at this site here understand the value but if they are here chances are they are building something already. Many of us can buy the $1500 part here or there over years..others here can just write a check.
You want the 50 something guy returning to his glory days with extra who needs instant gratification.

1) Decent paint,
2) Nice wheels with correct stance
3) mini tub is worth it imo. They just look way cooler. Sorry but a 275 on a Camaro in back just is not as cool as a 315/335 set up.
4) Nice thumping cam is likely a good choice also.

I still think many would sell in the above range even with old school SBC with EFI.

Badazz28, I am in Southern Ca. also and I think the smog laws are why you don't see that era of Camaro on the road. It is just a hassle and no one wants to stick with 170 HP V8 came with.

Rodger,

I agree I have also seen some good deals out there but we must remember many are slapped together turn and burn cars.

One thing I know is that if I would have put the same amount of time/money that I put into my chevelle into a first gen Camaro I could sell it for far more $$. Building a PT car will pigeon hole you. My car is fully caged no a/c or heater. No radio and frankly not ideal cruiser for those reasons. It is LS3 powered and I could drive it anywhere and trust it but it is not relaxing. I could change it back but why don't you buy it and work your quick magic since I have little time for it.
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Your awesome 68 Chevelle is really built to a narrow market. Same with my 67 Camaro a few years ago. It will be a great, reliable car for someone who wants to up their game in the road coarse, auto cross events. But the MAJORITY of people want AC and a soft interior. You could probably get a good amount more if it was a 70 Chevelle, just reality. I also have what might be the most rust free solid 1969 Chevelle I picked up a few years ago. I keep thinking it Could be a money maker, bolt on suspension, and a really basic car, that just looks really good, but I'm not convinced that is a sure thing. That would be a better project for me to sell as a project.

A few weeks ago I found a Craigslist ad for 1967 camaro that the seller said was rust free. I called him and he said it was and he was firm on the price of 5k for the body with doors. So one Sunday morning I drove 2 hours out to the desert and sure enough it was 100% rust free. I bought it and the C-10 truck parked next to it. 20 minutes after loading up and heading home I got a call from one of our great customers and he asked if the car was a nice as it was supposed to be, I said maybe better. He bought the car on the right then now wants me to try and get and LT1 from Chevrolet. I got a left over subframe from a customer to make it a roller and she is in dry storage down the street now until her time comes. You have to buy the deals when you find them.

If the money is made on the buy I also think its made in the game plan to sell. If you over build the car, your just pissing away the gain to give away to the next owner. You have to figure out the best way to sell the car.

I'm still not convinced mini tubs justify the expense to install on a 60k or less car.

[Blake Foster]

I just sold the Nova. I had it a Russo Steel in Jan and the bidding stalled at about 34,000. well I can tell you THAT AIN"T ENOUGH. it was one of those things I didn't need to sell it but wanted to do something else. it didn't sell. I had it advertised on ebay for a while at 75,000( that was about the sum of the parts at my cost) thought that was fair.... had a couple calls. then a guy from Sydney AU called said he wanted the car wired over a deposit and a week later came to drive it and paid the balance and drove it to LA and put it on a boat, I ended up at 65,000. lower than I thought it was worth, but after 3 different offers at about the same price ( I turned down 2 of them) I figured that was what the market was in that car.

I am certainly NOT the guy to ask "what is it worth" I am not the car selling guy. I hate buying them and don't often sell them. just not my gig some guys seem to have hours to scan the classifieds and what not to find the deal. but then we have had some of those "DEAL" come into the shop, trust me NO DEAL. in my opinion they are cheap for a reason, their junk, or on the slim chance you catch someone who needs to bail you can maybe get a deal, that won't be me lol

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by ironworks

I'm still not convinced mini tubs justify the expense to install on a 60k or less car.

From the years on this site and the amount of feedback I've had in that time, I would say being minitubbed is a very big selling point on a $60K protouring style car. I have seen cars without tubs that are very competitive at these events, and look and drive awesome. But IMO, if that's the price point you're looking at I think it'll be a mistake to not do a minitub.

[dhutton]

I was at one time thinking of doing something similar on a smaller scale when I retire. My friend in the classic car business advised me to focus on 69 Camaros exclusively. They are the money makers (if there is money to be made). Not even 67 and 68.

Don

[MaxHarvard]

Originally Posted by camcojb

From the years on this site and the amount of feedback I've had in that time, I would say being minitubbed is a very big selling point on a $60K protouring style car. I have seen cars without tubs that are very competitive at these events, and look and drive awesome. But IMO, if that's the price point you're looking at I think it'll be a mistake to not do a minitub.

Minitubs are one of those things that if you can do it yourself, cost very little but raise the price considerably. The mini tub itself is relatively cheap... Lots of time and some inner tubs.

Also, consider all that needs to be changed to do a mini tub... rear end, suspension, tires/wheels, brakes... It's a hell of an investment.

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by MaxHarvard

Minitubs are one of those things that if you can do it yourself, cost very little but raise the price considerably. The mini tub itself is relatively cheap... Lots of time and some inner tubs.

Also, consider all that needs to be changed to do a mini tub... rear end, suspension, tires/wheels, brakes... It's a hell of an investment.

My opinion is at $60K you expect to see the minitubs, and the work and cost to change it over if they're not done is an issue. Cheaper to do it initially so you're not buying duplicate tires/wheels/rear suspension, etc.