Nissan GTR vs LS7/LS9 1st Gen

[srh3trinity]

Having seen GTR's versus a pretty wide variety of high dollar cars and a few PT cars at the OLOA event I went to, I can tell you that it was pretty much the GTR's and then the rest of the field. I was shocked at how fast these cars were. I don't know how much money they had invested in upgrades, but conceivably, the owners of the other cars had also spent a fair amount for upgrades. The end results for the entire circuit were similar. You can see that here: http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo....do?eventId=32 That may not be the fairest sampling either, because there were a lot of GTR's entered in the race, but 6 out of the top 10 is pretty impressive.
In our world, James has spent the most time around both cars so I would tend to buy into what he is saying. His car is not your average run of the mill PT Camaro build seen here either. He has spent a lot of time and money building a very formidable competitor in the OLC.

[clill]

Originally Posted by Sieg

Over the course of a year when you're in the mood to go on a spirited drive which car gets driven the most?

The Porsche.

[preston]

Another thing that I try to keep in mind is just how damn fast do you need to go ? All of these cars are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than what we were driving 10 years ago. Is it really so important that your personal project complete a lap time 2-4 seconds slower than a GT-R if your lap time is still faster than race cars of 20 years ago ? When you are not a pro driver or even close to an accomplished amateur (ie been doing SCCA racing for 5-10 years). I know we all want bragging rights but my friend called me out one day when I was waxing poetic about building a CF roof skin for my car to take "almost 80 lbs off the top of the COG" and he said and that would drop your lap time what ? .5 seconds ? You don't even drive at 100% now because you're worried about crashing your 5000 hours of labor.

Sometimes I still dream about building the "ultimate street/track/PT '67 Mustang" but when I go through the punchlist I realize that the simplest path woudl be a C6/Z06 chassis with a Mustang (widened) body dropped on the top. Hey, they even ahve the same wheelbase.

One other small data point that seems more important to me than others - driving and expensive exotic around creates seething envy among others and could make you a target etc., but people all seem to love old muscle cars and no one in the general public really understands how much they cost, so you don't come off as a wealthy twit when driving one even if the true cost is pretty similar.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by clill

The Porsche.

Less stress, more adrenaline......FTW

[Damn True]

Originally Posted by preston

Another thing that I try to keep in mind is just how g*damn fast do you need to go ? All of these cars are SIGNIFICANTLY faster than what we were driving 10 years ago. Is it really so important that your personal project complete a lap time 2-4 seconds slower than a GT-R if your lap time is still faster than race cars of 20 years ago ? When you are not a pro driver or even close to an accomplished amateur (ie been doing SCCA racing for 5-10 years). I know we all want bragging rights but my friend called me out one day when I was waxing poetic about building a CF roof skin for my car to take "almost 80 lbs off the top of the COG" and he said and that would drop your lap time what ? .5 seconds ? You don't even drive at 100% now because you're worried about crashing your 5000 hours of labor.

Sometimes I still dream about building the "ultimate street/track/PT '67 Mustang" but when I go through the punchlist I realize that the simplest path woudl be a C6/Z06 chassis with a Mustang (widened) body dropped on the top. Hey, they even ahve the same wheelbase.

One other small data point that seems more important to me than others - driving and expensive exotic around creates seething envy among others and could make you a target etc., but people all seem to love old muscle cars and no one in the general public really understands how much they cost, so you don't come off as a wealthy twit when driving one even if the true cost is pretty similar.

Excellent points. My wife and I have on a number of occasions discussed that I could go faster, for cheaper and this weekend to boot by buying a lightly used Zo6, M3 or Porsche. Any of which would make reasonable daily drivers as well.

Heck, as sorted as Chicca's car is, he's only a few ticks faster around Thunderhill than a spec miata (w/~180rwhp/2350lbs).

I dig Zo6's M3's & Porsche's....GTR's don't do a damn thing for me though. But I want a '68 Camaro that hauls a$$ and is enjoyable, if challenging, to drive at an auto-x or track day. It won't be much of a DD once it's there, but that's what my jetta diesel is for.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by ill steez

At the end of the day I think the main point is that if you're trying to build a car to drive like a GT-R, you're better off just buying a GT-R.

Bingo!

[Mailbox]

These times are at Blackhawk farms Raceway 2.25 miles
Cars are from a dead stop on cold tires ...

00 z28 550 hp on A6s 1:21.8
ls powered 240z 1!19.0 street tires I think
GTR 1:18 .556 on street tires


Im in the 123s with 260-70 hp


For a good perspective on what cars can really do on a road course go to the Midwestern Council Record/results page


MCSCC

[J-440]

Given that Nissan charges...what...$85,000 for the GTR, they lose money on every single one they build. The Titan pickup makes up for the losses. What is the REAL cost of a new GTR? Let's say close to 100 grand? Add that amount to any PT car, could someone build one (I'm sure a few members on this board have) that would beat the GTR in all performance numbers as well as have all of the amneties?

[James OLC]

Originally Posted by J-440

Given that Nissan charges...what...$85,000 for the GTR, they lose money on every single one they build. The Titan pickup makes up for the losses. What is the REAL cost of a new GTR? Let's say close to 100 grand? Add that amount to any PT car, could someone build one (I'm sure a few members on this board have) that would beat the GTR in all performance numbers as well as have all of the amneties?

If I added 100 grand to my PT car I am reasonable confident that I could.

But the GTR would still probably be quieter...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Originally Posted by J-440

Given that Nissan charges...what...$85,000 for the GTR, they lose money on every single one they build.

Saw this... http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/21/2...san-gtr-price/

"Nissan has announced a few pricing tweaks for the 2015 GT-R, one of which pushes the most basic variant past $100,000 for the first time. The 2014 cost of entry was $99,590, while the 2015 GT-R starts at $101,770.

The GT-R Black Edition, meanwhile, will demand $111,510, up from 2014's $109,300. The GT-R Track Edition retains the $115,710 asking price of the 2014 car. The price increases on the base and Black Edition come with some additional goodies that should soften the blow to pocketbooks, including a retuned suspension that promises a "more sophisticated ride," while LED headlights come standard. Bose Active Noise Cancellation has also been added to the 2015 GT-R, as has a new interior color option on the base model. For a full rundown of new goodies on the GT-R, check out our original post on the 2015 vintage.

Interestingly, the destination charge for the 2015 GT-R has climbed dramatically, from 2014's $1,000 to $1,595 for the latest car. We've reached out to Nissan to see why there was such a big increase, and will update as soon as we have an update."