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Old 10-28-2009, 02:07 PM
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That should be much better then the standard walls with slots and holes to control slosh on a normal road car - just depends on how you plan to use the car (brisk road use or some real auto-x / road course driving) will determine if you need the next level of fuel control and additional costs.
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wow, some awesome info in this thread for sure!!

Does anybody have any sort of link, or any way they can lead me to more information about or a source automotive jet pumps? I've tried to hunt down info on the 'vette and the cts-v setup and am getting nowhere...Seems like a jet pump might be a wiser way to do a surge tank (albeit still not as wise as an internal setup).
It's not called jet pump in the parts manuals. It's listed as Fuel Pump Left or Right. Confussing huh... It technically is a fuel pump - just not electric. PS, It's the Right side unit.

GM/AC Delco, Bosch and Carter make them. There are 2 versions - Early C5 is side loaded while later C5 and C6 are top loaded.

GM Left is 19133432 Right is 19133425 (check the AC/Delco Parts web page)
Bosch Left is 67434 Right is 67433

I'll post up some pics.

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First 2 are Early C5 and load into the tank from the side.

The rest are late C5 (2004 and Up) and C6 units and load from the top of the tank.

Next is the exploded parts diagram of the system. (and prices ...gulp)

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2 saddle tanks - a Left and Right. Fuel pump is in left tank. Line comes out from the pump and enters the right tank jet pump in. Motive fuel goes through the line and siphons fuel from the right tank and right tank fuel exits to the left tank and enters keeping it filled. The right tank empties first keeping left tank filled for cooling of pump.

Prices are listed on the attached pics are for C6. Looked on internet and found several vendors offering AC Delco units at $300 each. Pump flow control module is $120.

I've also seen the Walbro pump kit for the above at $325.

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Outstanding Jim. You beat me to it. I found the Delco numbers the other day. I just haven't had time to pull it together and post it. I have been fabricating an exhaust system. WooHoo! I have not been able to locate the ring that would weld into the tank to mount the pump module. They seem to sell replacement retainer rings though. Honestly, the prices are not bad if you compare to the A1000 and pump controller along with a pre-filter. If we can get some dimensions of the pump module, I will try to get started on a model of a cell to start to illustrate the system. Keep up the good wrk. You da man!
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2 saddle tanks - a Left and Right. Fuel pump is in left tank. Line comes out from the pump and enters the right tank jet pump in. Motive fuel goes through the line and siphons fuel from the right tank and right tank fuel exits to the left tank and enters keeping it filled. The right tank empties first keeping left tank filled for cooling of pump.

Prices are listed on the attached pics are for C6. Looked on internet and found several vendors offering AC Delco units at $300 each. Pump flow control module is $120.

I've also seen the Walbro pump kit for the above at $325.

Jim
What's the deal with number 7 on this diagram? It's a fortune, is it really needed?
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Hi Chad,

Have you thought about the style of tank you'll use yet ? A single box with all the stuff inside - or how about about 2 saddle tanks (driveshaft going down the middle) hanging just under/behind the cab below the bed ? (like the P-57 truck unit here on the site) Then you could replicate the C6 system above which is good up to 600 to 1000 hp.
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What's the deal with number 7 on this diagram? It's a fortune, is it really needed?
Not sure yet. I haven't looked at the C6 manual to see what it does to determine if it's a must have item. This is the LS9 parts diagram. CTS or LS3 vette might not use it - or have a lower cost item.
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Hi Chad,

Have you thought about the style of tank you'll use yet ? A single box with all the stuff inside - or how about about 2 saddle tanks (driveshaft going down the middle) hanging just under/behind the cab below the bed ? (like the P-57 truck unit here on the site) Then you could replicate the C6 system above which is good up to 600 to 1000 hp.
Our first thought was to put it behind the rear end under the bed. This is before the dual tank idea was kicked around here. It would be possible with they way we are doing the exhaust, I just don't know if the extra cost is needed. I think the cts-v pump module has the jet pump built in to fill it's canister. I'm guessing this would be the one to use in a single tank. I guess I am still open to suggestions if we can hammer out more of the details. The engine we ordered will be right at 600hp, so this should be doable.
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Here's the CTS-V pump info and pic. $345.00 AC Delco price. GM #19207950 and ACD # M10235 Nice unit - good choice Mark - I see why you selected this one. How'd you like to have to make the dies for that tank ??
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