DSE quadra link vs. leaf springs

[chicane]

Originally Posted by XcYZ

Are you guys done? You do know it's just about Christmas, right? I'm not going to pick sides, I'm friends with both of you, so I'll respectfully ask that you guys relax a bit.

Thanks.

Sorry Scott. Steveo's right... we're pretty thick skinned.

I will say that our debates have always been a good one... no matter what it is or what its about. Not to worry... I see no bad blood here, nor in the future. If this actually went down in public and everyone saw the rib shots, joking and carry-ing on... it wouldnt look as bad as this thread has read.

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

Got it. So I call up E&C Spring in Escondido, CA and say that I'd like to order a set of springs. When they ask for specifics, I reply "I dunno. Some guy named Tom from the internet will contact you with a print." Will I need a secret handshake or a password?

Well, yes. I have had a friendship and working relationship with Tony and his late father for many, many years. They have done all my builds, from the land speed record stuff to the ProTrucks and all the way to the freakishly articulating rock crawlers. We have always worked well that way, and frankly, its because it has always worked for us. We collectively take care of the technical stuff so you dont have to. I do the drawing, Tony and I do the math per-say, and we make sure you get exactly what it is your requirements need, to the best of our abilities. The financial transaction is between the end user and the spring company... as that is not my gig. I have always done the spring drawings and the foot work for free.

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

The smart guy says the Quadra-Link and commercially available leaf springs don't work!"

I never once stated that they wouldnt work. I did however, state that there are better ways to skin the cat and have custom, chassis specific, affordable parts that work better than the average.

Originally Posted by clill

The Thrasher is a really fun and predictable track car and it has rear leafs from Landrum spring Co. Virtually everyone on this site could have a great track day with rear leafs.

The Thrasher was also Marks favorite track car, as I remember, from his stories of that peticular chassis. Probably my most favorite Stielow car of all time.... well.... right next to the Red Witch. Which is right next to the Mule.... which.... is in.... Charlie's garage. Damn that guy.

[Bowtieracing]

Thanks guys for "intresting" lesson of rear suspension options.

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

..Sounds silly. People frequent message boards looking for straight answers. The come for solutions. They trust that smart guys such as yourself will set them straight and make their lives easier. Your furtive, roundabout response leaves people stuck in the mud. "....Crap! The smart guy says the Quadra-Link and commercially available leaf springs don't work!"

Well actually i still dont know what to do.. I do not want the wheel hope , because i like to leave hard and spin tires just for fun and still want the lower good looking stance wich i have seen is possible with DSE drop leafs. Front end will be DSE coil over kit on stock sub frame. I think i can trust DSE have worked these kits to work together ?

Originally Posted by chicane

Well, yes. I have had a friendship and working relationship with Tony and his late father for many, many years. They have done all my builds, from the land speed record stuff to the ProTrucks and all the way to the freakishly articulating rock crawlers. We have always worked well that way, and frankly, its because it has always worked for us. We collectively take care of the technical stuff so you dont have to. I do the drawing, Tony and I do the math per-say, and we make sure you get exactly what it is your requirements need, to the best of our abilities. The financial transaction is between the end user and the spring company... as that is not my gig. I have always done the spring drawings and the foot work for free.

So is it possible order a set from you ? If i send all info i can get to you and cost will be somewhere even close as DSE leafs ? Do i get good "4/10" racing / street / good stance / no wheel hope leafs ? If so i am really intrested.

As Scott said lets keep this civil so i and rest of the regular joes can learn as much as possible

[Stuart Adams]

I'll take a new ZO6 right out of the box and be done with all this leaf, QL, etc.etc. QL would be my choice if I was involved in this pissing contest.

Like SW sais why thrash your pro touring car when you can take a stock ZO6 and kick booty.

Good job Scott for settling down the neighborhood.

[Steve Chryssos]

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing

Well actually i still dont know what to do.. I do not want the wheel hope , because i like to leave hard and spin tires just for fun and still want the lower good looking stance wich i have seen is possible with DSE drop leafs. Front end will be DSE coil over kit on stock sub frame. I think i can trust DSE have worked these kits to work together?

I have two leaf spring cars here at my disposal--One with Hotchkis springs, one with DSE springs. The Hotchkis car does not suffer any wheel hop or axle tramp whatsoever. The DSE car (mine) has begun to exhibit some wheel hop under hard straightline acceleration. But only after swapping from a 12 bolt to a 9". Before the 9" there was zero wheel hop. I will check pinion angle here in a coupla weeks.

The car with Hotchkis leafs has DSE coilover conversion, ATS spindles, Konis, and DSE A-arms. Tires are 255/45-18 Toyos

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

I have two leaf spring cars here at my disposal--One with Hotchkis springs, one with DSE springs. The Hotchkis car does not suffer any wheel hop or axle tramp whatsoever. The DSE car (mine) has begun to exhibit some wheel hop under hard straightline acceleration. But only after swapping from a 12 bolt to a 9". Before the 9" there was zero wheel hop. I will check pinion angle here in a coupla weeks.

The car with Hotchkis leafs has DSE coilover conversion, ATS spindles, Konis, and DSE A-arms. Tires are 255/45-18 Toyos

Thanks Steve(again!!) for real life data

One more dump question. Is there any reason to control side to side movement with leafs ? I know panhard pan may not be the best one for leafs.

[Steve Chryssos]

No, deflection is not a major concern with leaf springs. It does occur, but minimally. That's why I am able to get away with running a 285mm tire and 10" wheel in a stock wheelwell.

[Steve Chryssos]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

I'll take a new ZO6 right out of the box and be done with all this leaf, QL, etc.etc.......

Who wouldn't?

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

Who wouldn't?

Actually, I'm guessing a lot of us wouldn't.

Let's face it, many of us have (or will have) the cost of a ZO6 in one or more vintage cars. I know I could likely sell my Camaros and everything I have for them and get pretty close to the cost of a ZO6. But then all I have is a ZO6 which will depreciate pretty rapidly, as compared to my 3 first gens which will, at worst, not go down in value as quickly as a ZO6.

In addition, I have the pleasure of knowing every nut and bolt on my cars, and knowing that the performance they exhibit is the result of my research, time and effort. No one driving a ZO6 has that feeling.

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

No, deflection is not a major concern with leaf springs. It does occur, but minimally. That's why I am able to get away with running a 285mm tire and 10" wheel in a stock wheelwell.

Great! leafs it is

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

Like SW sais why thrash your pro touring car when you can take a stock ZO6 and kick booty.

Thanks Stuart reminding me of SWs awsome camaro. I was just viewing it. It has leafs and 335 too

[Steve Chryssos]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

Actually, I'm guessing a lot of us wouldn't. .....

Variety is the spice of life. I'll take one of each.