1970 Mustang / Ron Sutton / SpeedTech Track Warrior

[WSSix]

Don't forget Maier's Mustang. That's a seriously badass gen 1 mustang, too.

Sounds like fun, Greg. Good luck on the build.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Build-It-Break-it

I guess in my eyes if your going to be pretty much building a car from scratch why cut up a running car?

Your changing motors,suspension,cutting things up etc etc. Your pretty much building a new car anyways?

Your Mustang just seems well sorted for what it is. To dive into it when you can start from scratch. It just seems like a waste of your current Mustang.

Not questioning your plan,just more curious as your thought on it more then anything. Either way it'll be a cool build to watch.

Good question - I guess.... not really.... but I'll try to make the case for you ("you" is a group you not you personally although you asked the question it's a question many would ask).


Anyone that has ever built or bought a car to build would tell you about the issues lurking behind the pretty paint of the perfect car they bought. And then they proceed to spend budget busting amounts of money (or years of project languishing) trying to fix the rotting pile of junk....

I know exactly what the Mustang is -- have all the photos of it when it was purchased and stripped down. The car was flawless - rustless - perfection. This is a KNOWN.

Buying a Dynacornhole body is always an option -- until you get it and find out what crap they are -- and how many OTHER PARTS AND PIECES you need to make it an actual car (track or otherwise).

I have two killer - known commodity - track cars. Both have all the basic requirements and are already set up as track day cars -- One I paid $35K for - the other (the '65) I paid $40K for. So let's use that dollar figure as my base. From here - I don't have to buy trim - Lexan - hood latches - wiring - taillights - or any of the other zillion small pieces that are required. Both have full fire equipment already install - dashes and gauges - and on and on - things like fuel safe tanks and pumps and and and....

It's not the parts and pieces that cost much -- but they cost plenty when you start spending $95 an hour (or whatever) on the labor to install and plumb and wire - and hot rod... THAT and the TIME it takes -- doing nothing for me except to further delay the project and add costs.

Just taking the '65 --- the body is flawless - has shaved drip rails - perfect paint - lexan - fuel tank - lights - wiring - headliner - steering wheel and blah blah blah

Now --- it has great brakes - worth something either to give away or sell - ditto an awesome motor and trans - expensive wheels and tires that would work on any similar Mustang.... In other words - there is a possibility of recouping a little money from parts sales....

I don't have to spend time and money making stuff fit - waiting on delivery - waiting on parts that come and don't fit or are wrong - and nobody has to "source" all these little items etc. Time is money - time is time - time is labor and effort.

When I'm all done - the car will need a wrap or a SCUFF AND SHOOT -- it won't need hours of blocking and primer and blah blah blah blah.

Is budget an issue for me.... yeah - NO. Is time and effort an issue -- yes. Both together make sense.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by WSSix

Don't forget Maier's Mustang. That's a seriously badass gen 1 mustang, too.

Sounds like fun, Greg. Good luck on the build.

There are several cars that we've looked at for modeling.... Maiers - (we'll most likely use the fenders or flares from his family's business


https://www.maierracing.com/


I also love the shape and look of my buddy Ron Schwarz's' Mustang (he posted above) -- but those are custom built by him - I really don't care to pee away time and money on something that doesn't make the car faster or safer.... it's a track car - not a DOOM Ridler build.... If they work - and look "decent" - then it's done. SpeedTech will have to look at it and see what works best -- "mold on" or custom flares. If it was in my shop (before cancer) I'd cut to cure... but Mikes car looks pretty bad as s -- using his mold on stuff - or their 5" flared fender set ($950 for a PAIR of fenders -- that's 10 hours of labor for a PAIR of flared fenders - pretty sure you can't cut to cure a stock fender in 10 hours!).

The build is about doing some things that I just "want" to do.... it's not about anything other than that. I want a motor that doesn't need valve lash adjustment.... or that is so snotty that it should be rebuilt every year or every other year (I've chosen to have it rebuilt it every year).... I just "want" a trick sequential tranny..... I just "want" wide by huge tires.... But the finished look is just "race car". Low - wide - mean..... it's easy to get on these cars.

It WON'T be Italian Stallion... or "Eleanor" LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

I woulda just had the '65 sprayed in every nook and cranny with that Rick Simpson Oil instead.

Ya coulda got a whole new Stang in a few hours...and maybe even cost ya less money.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis

I woulda just had the '65 sprayed in every nook and cranny with that Rick Simpson Oil instead.

Ya coulda got a whole new Stang in a few hours...and maybe even cost ya less money.

Really? I was thinking bed liner.....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Really? I was thinking bed liner.....

Yeahbutt with the car coated in Rick Simpson Oil, everybody workin' on the build would be feelin' good...all the time!





lol

[DBasher]

Speed and aeromatics! Lol

[glassman]

I love being gone for a few daze to come back to this!! Entertaining Sunday morning read. Move along people, nothing to see hear.

Greg, I totally love your comment about the "cars going back for more work", as I've lost a total of 14 months in the last 2.5 years of "It'll just take 2 months", between the respray and heads n cam . Sometimes I wonder why ima car guy #carcrazy dumas.....good luck with build. I've heard good things about this Ron guy lol

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by DBasher

Speed and aeromatics! Lol

Yeah ---- mine won't be a lifted truck.... Good gawd that thing is FUGLY!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by glassman

I love being gone for a few daze to come back to this!! Entertaining Sunday morning read. Move along people, nothing to see hear.

Greg, I totally love your comment about the "cars going back for more work", as I've lost a total of 14 months in the last 2.5 years of "It'll just take 2 months", between the respray and heads n cam . Sometimes I wonder why ima car guy #carcrazy dumas.....good luck with build. I've heard good things about this Ron guy lol

Just hung up with Sieg --- and I made several points..... I live in Sun Valley -- soon to be spending months on a new boat cruising to Alaska etc.... and then wintering somewhere.... regardless - the car is in one location and I'm in "other" locations....... So ---- I don't want to have to pull the motor every season -- I want to be able to buzz into the track - change tires/wheels - pads - nut and bolt and get hammering on it.

With 335's squared -- I'll go thru less tires (maybe) than I am now with the 245's and running the way I do.... I won't have to adjust the solid lifters -- It should be faster and more of a challenge... and that's what all of us are about to begin with isn't it?? Pushing the envelope?

It's fun to work with people that are IN SYNC --- Sutton & SpeedTech.... He can design - SpeedTech are also racers - so they can design build AND drive.... which means -- you can get a race car to be a race car -- not some show car builder that's never driven on a track before. These guys understand what parts and pieces are needed - what the driver needs and all the other little details.

Plus - I like 'em.