9 sec pt cars

[Vegas69]

Greg, there is this little button down in the lower right hand corner called "edit". I don't have a problem with having a spare set of wheels and tires for drag racing or road racing etc. I went with the R888' due to the fact I felt they would work everywhere including the street. Now all the events are going to be 200 treadwear.

[GregWeld]

Yeah -- I could have saved a few emails with the edit button...

Todd -- This thread could go on forever.... and I keep trying to return to the original post -- which was "is there PT cars in the 9's"?

You pointed out yourself - that the WHOLE POINT of a PT car - is -- good handling - high hp - quick - A/C - Stereo - drive without issues.... go to dinner with the girls

This thread turned into 8 second - 200 mph race car discussion....

So the real answer is NO you can't (or can't at this particular time) run legit 9's or 8's - and do corners too.... and go to dinner or drive in the Vegas heat in the summer... with the SAME SET UP - TIRES/WHEELS/EXHAUST.... hit the key back out of the driveway and get groceries and stop at the Auto X on the way home... and win a trophy at the local car show... and beat the snot out of that full race nitrous caged Vega....

Now - where's my cup of coffee? Oh yeah -- a PT car has to have cup holders too!!

[Vegas69]

Damn...I'll have to pick up one of those door panel cup holders.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Damn...I'll have to pick up one of those door panel cup holders.

I have a couple - you want billet or black plastic?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have drag raced and dare I admit back in the day, street raced enough to have a idea of what maybe could be done. I have a friend that has a RX7 that runs Cheapo Pep Boys Special street tires and consistantly runs mid nines, and picks pockets of slick tired cars street racing.

I do not think the OP meant 9s on street tires.

But here is what I think about tires. I think a car could go nines in the right car on 220 wear PT tire. It would be a run that started with a 1.70 short time and MPH like a mother out the back door. I would not be surprised if Vinny sprayed 300 in progression on his car that he could do it as he is a hell of a driver. It would have to be a 9.99 at 155MPH though to do it, and it would be as Steve O mentioned, dangerous at minumum.

All the Vettes and Vipers running 9s, 8s, are all on slicks / DOT drag radials so I think they are acceptable for us also

[ProdigyCustoms]

BTW, thanks to this thread I just order Forgelines and 18" Drag Radials for my street racer. Forgeline is making me 18 X 12s for the 345/35/18 drag radials, 18 X 8.5 for the front and the first set of 17 X 4 (yes 17 X 4) for my drag skinneys! I am draging it out of 3 year storage, going to do tire and brake swap first, get it dialed in, make sure it runs the numbers on the new tires and the suspension that is in it, then start looking at making a few changes to make it go around corners!

Here is one of my last races. I drove 30 miles to a gathering at a shopping plaze where 50 cars met, then we all cruised 25 miles to the track and drew names out of a hat, lined em up till the last two were standing. The last 2 standing was me and the Nova.

Yeah, I get beat (by 3 feet) by the 1600 horse, 7.70 alcohol injected heavy street car. But I left on him and gave him all he could stand!

[GregWeld]

Good action Frank!!!

Todd loves it when you spend his money....

BTW --- I want to continue to try (note the TRY) to bring this thread back to the original discussion... Frank you pointed this out yourself -- that the G in Lat G is for turning not the amount of G's you get from the launch at the drag strip...

REAL TIRES -- REAL COMFORT -- REAL STREET..... AND be competitive in MULTIPLE venues -- Auto X - Road course - STOPPING - Turning.... and going to the grocery store... or doing Power Tour.... and getting a trophy now and then at the car shows...... To me (which doesn't mean squat) that's Lat-G/PT cars...

Note I'm saying "COMPETITIVE" (different from being the best in one or the other) -- in MULTIPLE venues.... The OP hasn't come back in here to explain the bet --- but I'm betting the Drag guy in the post is talking what we're talking here -- a REAL PT car -- in street driven trim. I'm also betting this is why -- or at least PART of the reason that the Optima USCI has changed the rules to make the tires more "street" run versions.

[Steve Chryssos]

Boy, there is nothing I find more irritating than armchair quarterbacking. Twist Machine always preaches: "Get your car done and drive it". We practice what we preach. By suggesting that the car is uncorked AFTER I plainly stated that the only hardware turned were lug nuts, you're also calling me a liar. That's not what I call a debate.

The car in that video in NOT uncorked. Vinnie likes loud exhaust. Crowds at our pro-touring events like the loud exhaust as well. 9.98 is NOT a 10 second run. 9.98 is a 9 second run. Mathematicians decided long ago that a 9 is a 9 and a 10 is a 10. They did so without your help.

Your fuzzy logic undermines and insults all of the hard work and expense that went into designing building and running that car.

[GregWeld]

Steve --

Nobody called you a liar.... and who can remember every DETAIL written in a thread with this many posts?

Nobody was making light of the build... quality wise or anything else. I personally commented on how cool it was more than once.

9.98 is INTO the 9's ---- not "9's"... Saying "9's" IMPLIES that it's closer to 9.0 than 10... and that is a semantic argument that is "stretching the truth". In ALL MY YEARS (likely before you were born) of drag racing and being with the very best of the best in drag racing WE never discussed "9's".... it was ALWAYS... "he runs 9.8's or he runs 8.4's...." because real drag racers know full well that a 9.98 is no where near a car that can run 9.2's. AND in the lower brackets (I actually worked for a number of YEARS at Portland International Raceway - and my room-mate RAN the track) a time statement was carried further -- to not MIS STATE a cars capability -- as in "he runs 9.98 on drag radials" --- which would say he CAN NOT do that on street tires! And if someone had to change rear gears to get there -- that was ALSO part of the statement....as in "he runs 9.98's on drag radials with 4:88's" -- because the car would be vastly different in street trim. Now that we all know that Vinnie ran 9.98 with full exhaust and only a tire change -- and that the car can turn too -- I will say again -- NICE BUILD....

This is a discussion -- interesting - informative - fun... relaxed. ADD to the info and have some fun. You built a great car and should be very proud of it.

[R67Chevelle]

Greg, I think you are right only to a certain degree. The whole factor is $cost$. With supercharged, turbo set ups it is completely possible to get deep into the 9's and be classified as (perform)"a true protouring car". Look at Tom Nelson... This guy is insane (in a good way) and makes his living on doing engines & PT cars (as well as others) that can have insane street manners, incredible handling & braking and big power on the track. A t56, heat treated & cryo treatment if built correctly can handle well over 1200hp& 1000ft lbs, but again "cost". A 4L80E with a gear vendor overdrive and a paddle shift can handle 1500hp if done right.

Now comes the factor? what's the budget limitation & time? There is so much to offer in the aftermarket out there it can be done and well done easy... Fesler, Prodigy, Gearhead and others would love someone (and they probably already have) to say that this is what they want and go build it and oh, by the way here's 300k along with it with your bonus included...

Interesting thread

Blessings,
AMS