DSE vs. SpeedTech Performance. . .

[colorado80439]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

Wow, that's rough. I don't think I would compare DSEs frame to an old flip cell phone.

Ya, I think he was referring to my comment on CA Chassisworks, but I guess it applies to DSE and probably many other subframe manufactures using that old flip phone C6 technology.

[badazz81z28]

Originally Posted by colorado80439

Ya, I think he was referring to my comment on CA Chassisworks, but I guess it applies to DSE and probably many other subframe manufactures using that old flip phone C6 technology.

Of course everyone wants people to buy their product, but to state one brand is inferior because of how long ago it was released, it just not right. Last I checked torque arm suspensions, delrin bushings, corvette hubs, ATS spindles are not new revelations. I'll wait and see how the Speedtech built cars fare at the autocrosses. OUSCI is coming up here in no time.

Real world results doesn't require exact built cars with exact skilled drivers, you can see trends and the current trend clearly shows that DSE cars out perform similar cars with different set-ups.

[Che70velle]

Originally Posted by badazz81z28

Of course everyone wants people to buy their product, but to state one brand is inferior because of how long ago it was released, it just not right. Last I checked torque arm suspensions, delrin bushings, corvette hubs, ATS spindles are not new revelations. I'll wait and see how the Speedtech built cars fare at the autocrosses. OUSCI is coming up here in no time.

Real world results doesn't require exact built cars with exact skilled drivers, you can see trends and the current trend clearly shows that DSE cars out perform similar cars with different set-ups.

In the world of race components, which is what these (and all other aftermarket subs) aftermarket subs are, there are design improvements made every year. Ben is not referring to hardware that is hanging on the subframe, meaning control arms, spindles, etc, but he is specifically talking about geometry. Pivot points in particular. Geometry is what makes the subframe work for you, not you working to make it work. The front roll center of these new subs quite frankly will be the best out there, in a pro touring competition style environment. Ron Sutton knows his stuff. He and the ST guys have created a masterpiece.

I raced asphalt late models for many years, and we would cut our front clips off our cars almost every year if our chassis maker found an improvement in geometry, regardless of the fact that it was all adjustable pivot points to start with. You simply cannot argue with mathematics. Of course at that point we are simply trying to keep up with the competition. Nobody wants to go to the track knowing that their equipment is second rate. It puts you behind the eight ball right off the bat, and it's very hard to dig out of a situation like that when your racing weekly. Just not enough time to revamp...

Let's keep in mind here that there are drivers out there that will win in whatever car they are in. Talent trumps new technology every time. BUT...you put talent in a car with the kind of technology that is being offered here, and it's not going to be a easy day for those chasing them.

[Blake Foster]

Yea I might not have phrased it the same way Ben did.
Obviously we (and I mean EVERYONE at Speedtech) are proud of our products and are really Excited to prove how well this new design will perform.
Ben, I am sure being the marketing guy, was trying to make a comparison that people could relate to and was not intending to
We all know the DSE stuff is GREAT other wise we would not be trying to make stuff better. I would like noting more that to be able to have cars at every event and run head to head with not only DSE but all the great cars. and that day is coming. As we produce and sell more and better products and more people get these Speedtech ExtReme track time packages and Chassis on the road and track it will make for some good competition/FUN.

[rushca01]

Will the corvette z06 brakes mount on the new extreme sub frame?

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by rushca01

Will the corvette z06 brakes mount on the new extreme sub frame?

Yes any c5 c6 (c7to the best of my knowledge) will bolt up.
or ANY aftermarket brake made for the same applications

[rushca01]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

Yes any c5 c6 (c7to the best of my knowledge) will bolt up.
or ANY aftermarket brake made for the same applications

Man, I was really really leaning towards the AME setup but this has me really thinking about switching to speedtech.

[Blake Foster]

Well if you need more convincing ask Ron Sutton how good the geometry is.
he has worked on all of them. and did the design on this one.

[rushca01]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

Well if you need more convincing ask Ron Sutton how good the geometry is.
he has worked on all of them. and did the design on this one.

I just got off the phone with Jay to get get more info in these extreme sub frames. For the time being I'm sticking with a Chevy small block engine so unfortunately this frame won't work. Jay did take the time to discuss the legacy pro touring frame and I think it might be an option now since I'm sticking with my current engine set up.

[Blake Foster]

hope we can help you one way or another.