...

Go Back   Lateral-g Forums > Technical Discussions > Engine
User Name
Password



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-11-2024, 06:15 PM
colorado80439 colorado80439 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 315
Thanks: 233
Thanked 256 Times in 100 Posts
Default LT4 Vs. LS9

I've toying with the idea of doing 1st gen Camaro build with Detroit speed subframe etc with either an LT4 or LS9. I'm trying to gather facts of fitment issues between the 2 engines such as hood modifications, fuel delivery, power steering pump, vacuum boosters, supercharger cooling, front drive systems, headers, electrical and probably a long list of things that you don't see until you get there. Also would consider an LS3 with low profile supercharger to avoid hood fitment issues. Let me know if you would share your experience with these secondary fitment issues
Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-12-2024, 10:10 AM
bk2life bk2life is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2023
Location: Phx, Az
Posts: 69
Thanks: 2
Thanked 103 Times in 55 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by colorado80439 View Post
LT4 or LS9 Also would consider an LS3 with low profile supercharger
how much power do you need, and what type of car are you building for what type of driving...
looks only, car show killer, or something actually going to be used and abused?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-13-2024, 12:28 AM
colorado80439 colorado80439 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 315
Thanks: 233
Thanked 256 Times in 100 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bk2life View Post
how much power do you need, and what type of car are you building for what type of driving...
looks only, car show killer, or something actually going to be used and abused?
Pretty much all of the above, small amount of road coarse time, street and cruising on canyon roads, distance trips a little bit of show. I'm at 7500ft so N/A take a back seat, 6-700 horse similar torque
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-13-2024, 12:50 AM
colorado80439 colorado80439 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 315
Thanks: 233
Thanked 256 Times in 100 Posts
Default

My big concerns are fitment and drivablity issues, what difficulties are there with fuel management of LT4 vs LS9, who has a front runner with power steering that works, supercharger efficiencies and/or cooling issues, ecm looks like the LT4 is more involved with electrical control, vacuum pump are they needed for a DSE brake booster and if so who makes one thats not loud and obnoxious
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-08-2024, 09:07 AM
thedugan's Avatar
thedugan thedugan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ
Posts: 342
Thanks: 53
Thanked 96 Times in 62 Posts
Default

Jeeze, LS9 short blocks are worth big bucks these days....

https://sdparts.com/i-24507973-chevr...ong-block.html

I hope it's just a typo where the 9 key was sticking.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Doug L.
68 Camaro RS/SS Conv. LSA/T56
67 Camaro RS LS2/T56 "NutKse"

Last edited by thedugan; 03-08-2024 at 12:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to thedugan For This Useful Post:
130fe (03-11-2024), camcojb (03-08-2024)
  #6  
Old 03-08-2024, 10:38 AM
samckitt's Avatar
samckitt samckitt is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Carrollton, VA
Posts: 348
Thanks: 1
Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedugan View Post
Jeeze, LS9 short blocks are worth big bucks these days....

https://sdparts.com/i-24507973-chevr...ong-block.html

I hope it's just a typo where the 9 key was sticking.
$100,000! Can't be right.

Pace Performance has it for $13,556.xx
https://paceperformance.com/i-622022...ance-6-2l.html


Why do you only get 6 ignition coils?
__________________
Scot
86 Monte SS
LS2/T56 Magnum

Last edited by samckitt; 03-08-2024 at 10:41 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to samckitt For This Useful Post:
camcojb (03-08-2024)
  #7  
Old 03-08-2024, 10:51 AM
camcojb's Avatar
camcojb camcojb is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wilton, CA.
Posts: 12,898
Thanks: 5,519
Thanked 1,589 Times in 712 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by samckitt View Post
$100,000! Can't be right.

Pace Performance has it for $13,556.xx
https://paceperformance.com/i-622022...ance-6-2l.html


Why do you only get 6 ignition coils?
I'd guess they have the three coils already mounted to the covers in engine assembly. They leave out the far left coil as it covers a valve cover bolt, the others don't. They throw the other two coils in a box. Kinda lazy but I get it lol.
__________________
Jody

PAST CAR PROJECTS

Like Lateral-G on Facebook!

Follow Lateral-G on Instagram!

SPECIAL THANKS TO:
Jacob Ehlers and Amsoil for the lubricants and degreasers for my 70 Chevelle project
Shannon at Modo Innovations for the cool billet DBW bracket
Roadster Shop for their Chevelle SPEC Chassis
Dakota Digital for their Chevelle HDX Gauge Package
Painless Performance for their wiring harness

Ron Davis Radiators for their radiator and fan assembly.
Baer Brakes for their front and rear brakes

Texas Speed and Performance for their 427 LS Stroker
American Powertrain for their ProFit Magnum T56 kit
Currie Enterprises for their 9" Third Member
Forgeline for their GF3 Wheels
McLeod Racing for their RXT street twin clutch
Ididit for their steering column
Holley for their EFI and engine parts
Lokar and Clayton Machine for their pedals and door and window handles
Morris Classic Concepts for their 3 point belts and side mirrors
Thermotec for their heat sleeve and sound deadening products
Restomod Air for their Tru Mod A/C kit
Mightymouse Solutions for their catch can
Magnaflow for their 3" exhaust system
Aeromotive for their dual Phantom fuel system
Vintage Air for their new Mid Mount LS front drive
Hydratech Braking for their hydroboost system
Borgeson for their stainless steering shaft and u joints
Eddie Motorsports for their hood and trunk hinges and misc parts
TMI Products for their seats, door panels, and dash pad
Rock Valley Antique Auto Parts for their stainless fuel tank
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to camcojb For This Useful Post:
samckitt (03-08-2024)
  #8  
Old 03-09-2024, 05:33 AM
srode1 srode1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Cincinnati Ohio
Posts: 191
Thanks: 165
Thanked 71 Times in 50 Posts
Default

As far as fitment the LT4 high pressure pump will mean you probably need to modify the firewall for clearance, for the pump and the electrical connections. That's the price of direct injection vs port injection. I'm sure you've read the other technical differences and that the LT4 has more torque earlier making for a flatter power curve too which is an advantage in any application IMHO. The wiring on the LT4 isn't really complicated, just plug stuff in and it works and it's gone in lots of cars so there's plenty of information on front runners.

Last edited by srode1; 03-09-2024 at 05:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to srode1 For This Useful Post:
camcojb (03-09-2024), fleetus macmullitz (03-18-2024)
  #9  
Old 03-18-2024, 04:11 PM
Spiffav8's Avatar
Spiffav8 Spiffav8 is offline
Lateral-g Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 4,736
Thanks: 567
Thanked 451 Times in 215 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by colorado80439 View Post
I've toying with the idea of doing 1st gen Camaro build with Detroit speed subframe etc with either an LT4 or LS9. I'm trying to gather facts of fitment issues between the 2 engines such as hood modifications, fuel delivery, power steering pump, vacuum boosters, supercharger cooling, front drive systems, headers, electrical and probably a long list of things that you don't see until you get there. Also would consider an LS3 with low profile supercharger to avoid hood fitment issues. Let me know if you would share your experience with these secondary fitment issues
Thanks
What happened to the 69 LS7 build? Wasn't it in paint late last year?
__________________
Curtis
Pilots: We're not better than you, just way cooler.

NO ONE IS COMING. IT'S UP TO US.

http://www.navysealfoundation.org/
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-18-2024, 09:49 PM
rpol78 rpol78 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

My understanding is you have more ECM options with the LS and more options for making changes. I do like the LT4/LT5 engine with the direct injection. It just depends on what you want to do in the future.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedugan View Post
Jeeze, LS9 short blocks are worth big bucks these days....

https://sdparts.com/i-24507973-chevr...ong-block.html

I hope it's just a typo where the 9 key was sticking.
Hmmm... Makes me wonder what my LS 396 engine is worth (LS9 block/LS9 CNC heads, Callies Magnum custom crank, Callies Ultra rods, JE custom pistons, Kong 2650).

FWIW - This is going in a '67 Chevelle.
Attached Images
  

Last edited by rpol78; 03-18-2024 at 09:53 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rpol78 For This Useful Post:
camcojb (03-19-2024)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Lateral-g.net