2nd Gen Camaro Subframe - Lateral-g Forums

BRETT ANDERSON · #1 04-13-2009, 10:13 PM

Who out there has an aftermarket subframe under their 2nd gen Camaro? I don't want to be rude, but I am not looking for people opinions about brands or venders input. I want to hear from people who actually have them under their 2nd gen Camaros and their observations about the product.
I am starting a new project and WILL be putting an aftermarket subframe under my 1972 Camaro. The factors involved are as usual: price, quality, ride and likes and dislikes.
There seems to be some much good stuff out there that it is hard for a guy to choose. I appreciate any input you have.
Thanks

70rs · #2 04-13-2009, 10:18 PM

Hey Brett, I am glad you posted that question. I have a '70 rs Camaro and want to know the same thing as you. Who has one and what they like or dislike about it. I also was wondering if there are any swap/install kist for C6 'vette rear diff and suspension set-ups. Or better yet, some way to get an entire C6 under my body. Any components or "kits" on the market to help make that possible? What are you planing for your next build? I had looked at the pics of your silver car and have to say that car is sweet!
I think we live fairly close to each other, I'm just north of Everett.
Eric

lil427z · #3 04-13-2009, 10:47 PM

i have a martz chassis in my 70 camaro for 6 yrs.
love it.
rick k

BRETT ANDERSON · #4 04-13-2009, 10:47 PM

Sweet, I live right across the Narrows Bridge in Port Orchard. I just bought a 1972 camaro basket case and am wanting to step it up a notch this time. It will be desinged by Jason Rushforth and I will run his wheels too. I just got my LS1/6 speed today for Cleveland Pick-A-Part and mocked up my Winters Quickchange rearend yesterday. The last suspension set up was really trick and Mark (SC&C) was great to work with, but I want to put an aftermarket subframe under the car and see if there is a noticable difference. I'm also building my own Watts-Link based of the Speedway engineering bracket mounted off the front of the Quickchange rear end.
FYI the rear end does not fit very well, but I love to move metal, so I got it to fit.
I wonder how much of this subframe stuff is just talk? Would a normal guy like me notice a difference between DSE, Art Morrison, Heidt's, and etc? It will be nice to hear from others who are running this stuff.
Thanks
Let's see some pics too!

BRETT ANDERSON · #5 04-13-2009, 10:52 PM

Rick, how big of tire do you run up front? What spindle does Martz use. I only ask because I want to use Corvette C5 brakes. Does it have a tight turning radius? What specific unit is it? Have you autcrossed it? Can the front go any lower? And are there any goods or bads that you could share?
Sorry to blast you with so many questions, but if I don't ask I'll never know.
Thanks

lil427z · #6 04-13-2009, 11:28 PM

18x9 ft , no , they make there own.
rick k

**CraigMorrison** · #7 04-15-2009, 08:34 AM

Brett- We are just down in Fife and make a C6 front sub for the 2nd Gen cars. Why don't you stop by for a shop tour sometime and see how we build them!

**syborg tt** · #8 04-15-2009, 10:24 AM

Got Pics ??

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Originally Posted by CraigMorrison

Brett- We are just down in Fife and make a C6 front sub for the 2nd Gen cars. Why don't you stop by for a shop tour sometime and see how we build them!

Heidts#14 · #9 04-15-2009, 10:45 AM

Hi Brett,
We can get you a complete subframe for $4250.00. That includes the trans crossmember, 11" Wilwood brake kit with your choice of black or polished calipers, power rack, billet coil overs, tubular a-arms, drop spindle with the 1 1/2" raised upper ball joint, and of corse the subframe. You can add $160 bucks to that for Afco coilovers. We are running 245/40R18 with 4.5" back space. With no modifications

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ParkerRS · #10 04-15-2009, 12:43 PM

I have the DSE unit under my 72. I haven't finished the car yet so I can't give any driving impressions. The qaulity is top notch with beautiful welds and the hydro formed bends.
It will accept all C5 and C6 brake options as it uses C6 spindles and bearing packs. Maximum front tire is 275/45-18 on an 18x10 rim, this requires no inner fender modification for function but I will be modding them for appearance.
I can't speak for sbc or bbc applications but I can for an LS platform. The DSE motor mounts sit the engine back over 2 inches, so it is tight to the firewall requiring a small mod on the left side to clear the upper mount ear of the bellhousing.
It also moves the transmission back far enough to require the tunnel to be raised at the front to clear it. You are on your own as far as a transmission crossmember since they don't offer one. There are mounting holes for a trans crossmember in the stock locations but you give up a couple of inches ground clearance with the exhaust using this type mount. You can see what I did for the transmission mount in the project progress section under Fool's Gold.
The components are all top notch, high qaulity and fit like a glove. It has factory style bumpstops made out of urethane which are changeable. the cross shafts are stainless, the bushings are delrin, the ball joints are GM as well as the spindles. There are several shock options, all of which are AFCO's rebranded with a DSE label on the sub-frames, as opposed to the Koni's they offer with the qaudra-link. The sway bar is splined and riding in delrin bushings. All pivot points have zerk fittings for greasability. The unit slid right under the car and tucks up tight and easy. The legs which extend rearward are also not as tall as the factory unit providing almost another inch of ground clearance. Ride hieght is adjustable with the coilovers.
Customer service is excellent as well as reputation. Hope this helps.