68 Camaro/Wayne Due Frame/Milodon Oil Pan/BBC Will not fit - Lateral-g Forums

JoshC · #1 11-10-2006, 06:48 PM

I hope this is the right forum for this post.

I do not have a Standard Big Block Oil Pan to check but the Milodon Oil Pan is approx. 4" tall from the Block to the bottom of the pan where it hits the power rack and pinion steering gear. Does anyone know what the stock pan height is? It looks like I need another inch or so to make it all fit or something else is very wrong... Any ideas? I am dead in the water...

Here are some pics I have just taken of the frame/motor/R&P:

Left Side

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1617/1030674jv5.jpg

Right Side

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1341/1030675jl6.jpg

Overall Pic. Yeah, the Transmission crossmember needs trimmed as well, about 3/16" to wide...

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1618/1030683kh1.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4354/1030676bl7.jpg

Bowtieracing · #2 11-11-2006, 02:40 AM

Is that really a wayne due frame?

68protouring454 · #3 11-11-2006, 05:26 AM

no thats a street rodder frame, probaly an alston, i think all waynes frames used some type of corvette control arms other then the 1-2 he made to use stock 1st gen control arms

B Schein · #4 11-11-2006, 06:02 AM

That looks like one of the frames he was building using the AME mustang II suspension.

JoshC · #5 11-11-2006, 06:55 AM

That frame is indeed a Wayne Due Frame. I ordered this frame directly from Wayne Due himself. There must be a history with this question as it is not the first time I have been asked if it was really a WD frame... Anyone want to share the story if there is one?

Here is a pic with the motor in place and the bolt on the right "made" I am pushing up on the R&P. Tighter than I should probably.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3420/1030680bp4.jpg

Here is a pic of how far off the left bolt is with the same pressure up on the R&P with the right bolt made.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1191/1030677up5.jpg

In these pictures, the transmission is mounted sitting on the crossmember to make sure the angle of the motor is correct, as far as with the frame itself.

Any ideas?

**XcYZ** · #6 11-11-2006, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshC

There must be a history with this question as it is not the first time I have been asked if it was really a WD frame...

Wayne made several types of subframes, but he was mostly known for his C4/C5 based subframes.

JoshC · #7 11-11-2006, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XcYZ

Wayne made several types of subframes, but he was mostly known for his C4/C5 based subframes.

Got it. Looks to me like you may be using the same WD frame with your 69? I assume your oil pan cleared the R&P with no problems?

ETA: I take that back, your frame looks different now that I have seen the additional pictures of it.

PSV · #8 11-11-2006, 08:45 AM

I had a similar problem with my stock sub-frame using a steffs oil pan. I had to switch to the milodon unit. I also have a stock camaro SS 396 and measured the oil pan and it is the same size in the area you are having trouble with as my milodon unit. What is the distance from the block to the mounting point on your motor mounts? I am using the prothane mount and its 2 and 1/2 inches. I measured a set of moroso solid mounts and they are only 2 inches. Maybe you could use the taller prothane mount and use some washers between the mount and the block to get the clearance you need.

JoshC · #9 11-11-2006, 06:14 PM

PSV, It was a good idea... But, when I measured the mounts, they were 2.5". Thank you for checking out the oil pan size. There goes my easy fix...

I am thinking about cutting the pan so it will fit but I need to remove the pan and see if thats even an option. I do not know how much spare room is in the pan yet...

Anyone else have any ideas?

JoshC · #10 11-15-2006, 04:40 PM

What do you guys think about taking a piece of 1"x3"x(the proper length) bar stock and bolting it to the existing two holes - have two holes drilled approx. 1.5" in the bar stock below the two original holes. Essentially moving the R&P one inch out and 1.5" down? I have a new ididit steering column to put in as well. Notching the oil pan is still an option but this may be cleaner and certainly easier for me. And I even have some of the red paint left for the bar stock if it works.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8653/1030689iv3.jpg