Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Van B]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

.... And I don't mind people being on welfare etc... or getting unemployment..


What I DO care about is that someone isn't LOOKING for a job - of any kind...

Being out of work - or being out of/down on your luck... I'm okay with that... but you'd better be trying to do something to change that. 'Cause sitting around doing nothing is what I get pissed about.

Personally - I'd like to see us return to a more WPA style program. If you're getting a "pay check" -- then you are "on the payroll" -- either the state or the county or the fed is sending you a check and taking care of your needs. IF that is the case --- then you need to "DO SOMETHING" for that check. You need to mow grass or rake leaves - or sweep streets - clean graffiti off - paint a government building - help the cooks at the public schools..... SOMETHING. If you're incapable - incapacitated - "slow" - etc.... then you should probably get more because we need to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. I'm totally for that. But if you can get out of bed in the morning... and walk and talk... then we have plenty of work that needs to be done. Doesn't have to be hard work - there's plenty of "hands"... but ya gotta do something.

The only thing you missed here is that if you put these people to work mowing or street sweeping you can bet your ass that the union municipal workers will bitch that their work is being taken away. I like the way you are thinking though.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Van B

The only thing you missed here is that if you put these people to work mowing or street sweeping you can bet your ass that the union municipal workers will bitch that their work is being taken away. I like the way you are thinking though.

You just make the current employees -- "supervisors".... and give them 5 or 6 helpers.

[Vegas69]

I've always said the same thing Greg. If you are collecting government assistance, you should either be working to improve society or indebted to the US Treasury. Meaning, you have to pay it back. Whether it's taking tax refunds to minor windfalls through garnishment. Of course a drug test should be mandatory every month.

But hey, I'm not a politician and could never get elected. You have to lie through your teeth to get in office. I'd rather tell it how it is......

It's never going to change. There will always be those that do and those that don't. There are getting to be a lot less doers so I'll juse forget about it.

[57hemicuda]

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

[Shmoov69]

I read that In an email yesterday but it didn't state the source. Very true synopsis!

[GregWeld]

Ron --

Good post! And that really is what worries the people like "us" the most. It's not that Obama is a bad man (I personally like him and voted for him the first time) ===== what I dislike is the DIRECTION the voters seem to want to head. And that there seems to be more and more "government will fix all my problems" type thinkers. Rather than the USA I grew up in which was "get your sorry azz out of bed - get a job - pay your bills - work hard and MAYBE things will be better for you down the road - note the MAYBE". In other words -- YOU rely on yourself.

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Ron --

Good post! And that really is what worries the people like "us" the most. It's not that Obama is a bad man (I personally like him and voted for him the first time) ===== what I dislike is the DIRECTION the voters seem to want to head. And that there seems to be more and more "government will fix all my problems" type thinkers. Rather than the USA I grew up in which was "get your sorry azz out of bed - get a job - pay your bills - work hard and MAYBE things will be better for you down the road - note the MAYBE". In other words -- YOU rely on yourself.

I think it's extremely simplistic to just generalize any set of voters into these giant buckets. The conservative view seems to be that all of the takers, aka anyone dependent on the government will vote democratic, including anyone on social security, having medicare, unemployment, welfare etc.

The liberal view is that anyone who votes republican is either a super rich person, an old person, or virtually anyone from the south, who they feel is too stupid to know better.

There is certainly elements of truth to these just like most generalizations but it's naive to believe it and apply it the way you guys are. Old people for example are in both buckets!

The thing is, some of you same people calling out the president for dividing people up, and us vs them, you then go on to divide people up into makers vs takers, fools vs non fools etc. What is it, are we one America or are we split up along some mysterious line?

You have reasons for wanting a different president, and some of you are able to express why and I can see how that is an entirely valid viewpoint. Few people here seem willing or capable of understanding why someone would vote for Obama.

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

I've always said the same thing Greg. If you are collecting government assistance, you should either be working to improve society or indebted to the US Treasury. Meaning, you have to pay it back. Whether it's taking tax refunds to minor windfalls through garnishment. Of course a drug test should be mandatory every month.

But hey, I'm not a politician and could never get elected. You have to lie through your teeth to get in office. I'd rather tell it how it is......

It's never going to change. There will always be those that do and those that don't. There are getting to be a lot less doers so I'll juse forget about it.

I am WITH YOU!!! 100% why do we allow (IN CANADA, cuz i have no opinon on the US) people to just sit on their asses and collect EI or Welfare? there are highways to clean, so many things that these people could be doing, for their Checks, i am also 100% for mandatory drug testing to receive your benifets.
there should be no free lunches, you get up with the rest of us and put in a good days work and guess what then you get a check.
that's all

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Blake Foster

there should be no free lunches, you get up with the rest of us and put in a good days work and guess what then you get a check.
that's all

I agree with you, Todd and Greg. 1000%!

[Bucketlist2012]

I agree with you guys... Drug Tests, and Work for your Checks...