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**out2kayak** · #**141** 11-09-2012, 07:32 PM

As several have echoed, I don't mind helping my fellow person.

The thing that gets me is we feed a person a day (food stamps, other social programs) verses teaching them how to be self sufficient. What's that old saying:

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."

I have been in several industries where it simply became unprofitable to work there. The first was an engineer fixing broken electronics. Tech changed and it's cheaper to throw things out and get the latest verses handing it to me to fix.

I transitioned into another area (programming) and worked there for a while. Many of the jobs were off-shored and there was another transition.

So, now I'm doing solution architecture.

Bottom line is I have to keep learning, many times paying for my own training, to keep my skills sharp and competitive with the market.

We need the government to incentivize people to learn, grow and adapt to an ever changing world.

Handing someone money (remember how you spent your tax rebate check of 2008) is usually used to pay for short term pleasure. Instead, how about giving employers a break to bring on more interns (no matter their age) or fostering a mentoring program?

I just hate the government taking my hard earned money only to see others waist it.

Just saying....

Eleanor's Nemesis · #**142** 11-09-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by realcoray

I don't think it's an us versus them, makers vs takers thing, you can't tax your way out of debt, and you can't cut your way out either. We all got some benefit out of the deficit spending, it's time we all got a little pain to pay for it and I feel like that's what is going to happen.

Pain isn't necessary for anybody. The best solution is to 'grow the economy'.

Instead of people bltching about the size of the slice of their pie you bake a bigger pie.

What kind of effect would there be on the Treasury if we put 10 million people back to work in the private sector so that they are paying taxes?

**out2kayak** · #**143** 11-09-2012, 09:24 PM

FWIW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEM4NKXK-iA

Vince@Meanstreets · #**144** 11-09-2012, 09:52 PM

Good stuff Greg, its good to put it out there and show what it is all about. You should hang out with Peter Schiff at them protests to set the record straight.

Van B · #**145** 11-09-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld

.... And I don't mind people being on welfare etc... or getting unemployment..

What I DO care about is that someone isn't LOOKING for a job - of any kind...

Being out of work - or being out of/down on your luck... I'm okay with that... but you'd better be trying to do something to change that. 'Cause sitting around doing nothing is what I get pissed about.

Personally - I'd like to see us return to a more WPA style program. If you're getting a "pay check" -- then you are "on the payroll" -- either the state or the county or the fed is sending you a check and taking care of your needs. IF that is the case --- then you need to "DO SOMETHING" for that check. You need to mow grass or rake leaves - or sweep streets - clean graffiti off - paint a government building - help the cooks at the public schools..... SOMETHING. If you're incapable - incapacitated - "slow" - etc.... then you should probably get more because we need to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. I'm totally for that. But if you can get out of bed in the morning... and walk and talk... then we have plenty of work that needs to be done. Doesn't have to be hard work - there's plenty of "hands"... but ya gotta do something.

The only thing you missed here is that if you put these people to work mowing or street sweeping you can bet your ass that the union municipal workers will bitch that their work is being taken away. I like the way you are thinking though.

**GregWeld** · #**146** 11-09-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Van B

The only thing you missed here is that if you put these people to work mowing or street sweeping you can bet your ass that the union municipal workers will bitch that their work is being taken away. I like the way you are thinking though.

You just make the current employees -- "supervisors".... and give them 5 or 6 helpers.

Vegas69 · #**147** 11-09-2012, 11:32 PM

I've always said the same thing Greg. If you are collecting government assistance, you should either be working to improve society or indebted to the US Treasury. Meaning, you have to pay it back. Whether it's taking tax refunds to minor windfalls through garnishment. Of course a drug test should be mandatory every month.

But hey, I'm not a politician and could never get elected. You have to lie through your teeth to get in office. I'd rather tell it how it is......

It's never going to change. There will always be those that do and those that don't. There are getting to be a lot less doers so I'll juse forget about it.

57hemicuda · #**148** 11-10-2012, 07:10 AM

Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010.

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

Shmoov69 · #**149** 11-10-2012, 09:37 AM

I read that In an email yesterday but it didn't state the source. Very true synopsis!

**GregWeld** · #**150** 11-10-2012, 09:43 AM

Ron --

Good post! And that really is what worries the people like "us" the most. It's not that Obama is a bad man (I personally like him and voted for him the first time) ===== what I dislike is the DIRECTION the voters seem to want to head. And that there seems to be more and more "government will fix all my problems" type thinkers. Rather than the USA I grew up in which was "get your sorry azz out of bed - get a job - pay your bills - work hard and MAYBE things will be better for you down the road - note the MAYBE". In other words -- YOU rely on yourself.