Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[hifi875]

If you think the single payer system is great, look at Canada. There is a lot of canadians on here. Ask them!
Healthcare is a privilege. If you truly can't afford it there are already systems in place. If you can but choose not to, then it's your problem, your responsibility. That's the problem, there is no personal responsibility, and Obama loves it

[fleetus macmullitz]

Please excuse the red, it just goes so good with the white and the blue.

Here is something that I think we may all agree on. I saw it a few minutes ago and signed it.
__________________________________________________ _______

ACLJ ‏@ACLJ We must stop sending billions of our tax dollars to radical regimes http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0 Sign the petition. Stop funding radical regimes.

"Anti-American violence continues in an alarming number of Middle East and North African nations. With the Obama Administration continuing to send U.S. taxpayer dollars to these nations, Congress is taking action.

Congressional leaders are attempting to stop nearly $500 million dollars from being sent to Egypt. Soon there will be hearings to investigate the death of our Ambassador and other Americans in Libya. Support their efforts; sign our petition calling for the Obama Administration to stand up for America and halt the funding.
__________________________________________________

Petition to Stop Funding Radical Middle East Nations

"To: President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton
Your Administration must stand up for America - stop apologizing and condemn these abhorrent attacks. All U.S. funding to these countries must end until stable governments – which support America – are put in place."

http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0


Side note-I used to not give petitions much thought. However, I saw one of the ACLJ's recent petitions snowball into a worldwide effort that put so much pressure on our State Department and then the U.N. as well, that Iran released one of their own citizens, a peaceable young husband and father, from an Iranian prison who had been sentenced to death...for saying things they didn't like!

[syborg tt]

I agree !

Originally Posted by compos mentis

Please excuse the red, it just goes so good with the white and the blue.

Here is something that I think we may all agree on. I saw it a few minutes ago and signed it.
__________________________________________________ _______

ACLJ ‏@ACLJ We must stop sending billions of our tax dollars to radical regimes http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0 Sign the petition. Stop funding radical regimes.

"Anti-American violence continues in an alarming number of Middle East and North African nations. With the Obama Administration continuing to send U.S. taxpayer dollars to these nations, Congress is taking action.

Congressional leaders are attempting to stop nearly $500 million dollars from being sent to Egypt. Soon there will be hearings to investigate the death of our Ambassador and other Americans in Libya. Support their efforts; sign our petition calling for the Obama Administration to stand up for America and halt the funding.
__________________________________________________

Petition to Stop Funding Radical Middle East Nations

"To: President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton
Your Administration must stand up for America - stop apologizing and condemn these abhorrent attacks. All U.S. funding to these countries must end until stable governments – which support America – are put in place."

http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0


Side note-I used to not give petitions much thought. However, I saw one of the ACLJ's recent petitions snowball into a worldwide effort that put so much pressure on our State Department and then the U.N. as well, that Iran released one of their own citizens, a peaceable young husband and father, from an Iranian prison who had been sentenced to death...for saying things they didn't like!

[Fluid Power]

Originally Posted by hifi875

If you think the single payer system is great, look at Canada. There is a lot of canadians on here. Ask them!
Healthcare is a privilege. If you truly can't afford it there are already systems in place. If you can but choose not to, then it's your problem, your responsibility. That's the problem, there is no personal responsibility, and Obama loves it

Agreed.

I had my annual physical last week and asked my Doctor what he thought about this mess. He replied that if the government would just force the insurance companies to code services the same and allow him to submit payment request on a standard form, he would be miles ahead on paperwork. An interesting thought.

Darren

[Bucketlist2012]

@MKELCY....What is always with the Fox references ? And people are fools because they don't agree with you....You are just full of Liberal talking phrases that show a foolish side of yourself...So someone has a different point of view they must watch Fox ? Please, now that is ignorant.

We have our point of view based on real world experience..Just because we don't have your view of the world doesn't mean we watch Fox...That statement in itself is just a sheep herd talking point mentality...

Proof is in the pudding....The last 4 years have been a disaster...And the next 4 ? Well I won't say what will happen, but let's see where it leads..

You want real dialogue and debate, get off the calling people fools, and stop saying everyone who doesn't agree with you watches Fox...It is just a Liberal talking point, and not reality.

When the middle class pays for all the policies put in place, who will you blame ? When most people that are in need must drive gasoline powered cars and Obama and his energy Czar ON CAMERA said they want gasoline prices to be high like Europe to FORCE the green mandate, who will you blame ? Fox ? When the Obamacare tax hits the middleclass who will you blame ? Fox ? That argument is old and tired..The middle class is going to bear the costs and the poor will be crushed..

Our local charities are suffering the worst Inventory they have ever seen...The supplies to help the poor..The reporters say it is because people are struggling to pay their bills and gasoline, and higher food costs...Oh ya, it was ABC...So save your breath trying to blame me for watching Fox,haha... This is before 2013 when things get worse..

The printing and spending has devalued the currency or dollar unit to a point of danger...And forcing energy policies that raise the costs on the poor and middle class is just wrong...How many poor people are going to trade in their cars for a hybrid ? ZERO...So they suffer the energy mandate of this President, among other foolish policies.

[Bucketlist2012]

Funny after the Depression guys like Vanderbuilt,Rockerfeller,Carneige, and others brought the poor into the middle class.. They created Jobs to allow the poor to become middle class..

Did they reap obscene profits ? Sure they did, but without them the job creators, the poor wpould not have risen into the middle class..

Now ? Obama depends on his base of Poor voters...Trying to punish the rich is just political and not economics....It is to please his voters...In reality it won't pay the Debt...

So the middle will suffer the most, the poor will NOT be pulled up into the middle class, and the Rich will be the scapegoat but will still be rich...

That is my prediction for the next 4 years...And people will try to blame Bush, Fox news and the Right....Which is laughable at best.

P.S. I am not posting to change someone's mind..Even talking with friends with liberal views, I don't try to change their minds...Let them believe what they want. But when they try to say I am brainwashed by Fox, I wll call them on it everytime..I don't need to watch T.V or read the paper to know what is going on.

[Z10ROD]

we just need tax reform. everyone should pay the same % and all should pay for healthcare. how ever we get there. eventually we should get there.

I have just as much of a problem with the obstructionist congress as the entitlement rich white house.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Z10ROD

we just need tax reform. everyone should pay the same % and all should pay for healthcare. how ever we get there. eventually we should get there.

I have just as much of a problem with the obstructionist congress as the entitlement rich white house.

I agree -- FLAT TAX -- personal and corporate... ZERO deductions. But I'd index the flat tax by income - less for those earning less and more for high earners. Maybe a 10 - 15 - 25% deal or something.

I agree on the congress/white house comment as well. We need to toss them all out and have a do-over.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

I agree -- FLAT TAX -- personal and corporate... ZERO deductions. But I'd index the flat tax by income - less for those earning less and more for high earners. Maybe a 10 - 15 - 25% deal or something.

I agree on the congress/white house comment as well. We need to toss them all out and have a do-over.

MY first response in this thread. Agree 100%...

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

So the middle will suffer the most, the poor will NOT be pulled up into the middle class, and the Rich will be the scapegoat but will still be rich...

AMEN!



They've already done the math --- I've heard it repeated on several news shows (as in CNBC - Not Fox! Which I've never watched) - that if you taxed the "rich" 1% ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their income - you still couldn't balance the budget..

Thus the SPENDING needs to be reeled in --- and the taxes need to go up as well... And I think almost anyone with half a brain can understand that math. The problem is -- Nobody that's getting "help" wants to help - and nobody that's paying wants to pay more unless they get some spending cuts. I totally get that.

It's POLITICS.... and I think the PEOPLE of the United States of America are sick and tired of BS politics. I know I am.

All I ask is that the 535 plus the POTUS -- start to actually work for ALL the People rather than playing to their special group.