Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by camcojb

But when you add on the extras and require everybody regardless of health to be covered, the price of the policy has to go up.

Jody ---


My take on Obamacare is that it is the most egregious tax ever levied on the "have nots" in the history of the USA. The people of this great country just haven't been hit with it yet. It's a nice "theory" that everyone should have health coverage... but this is the wrong way to go about it. It'll just end up being another bloated entitlement... mismanaged and rife with fraud.

The funny thing is -- the people that can "afford" healthcare -- already have it. The people that CAN NOT afford healthcare will now be forced to buy/pay, or be fined. The "fine" amount that I've heard ($600) is smaller than the cost of Obamacare. So many will just be forced to choose to pay more or just pay the fine which is less. My guess is that we'll build a bureaucracy to hunt down all the zillions that have no way to pay ... not even the fine... and they'll still be the ones showing up at the ER and we will treat them just as before i.e., the best medical care money can buy.


California's hospital ER's are full of NON US citizens... what are we going to do with them?

[camcojb]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Jody ---


My take on Obamacare is that it is the most egregious tax ever levied on the "have nots" in the history of the USA. The people of this great country just haven't been hit with it yet. It's a nice "theory" that everyone should have health coverage... but this is the wrong way to go about it. It'll just end up being another bloated entitlement... mismanaged and rife with fraud.

The funny thing is -- the people that can "afford" healthcare -- already have it. The people that CAN NOT afford healthcare will now be forced to buy/pay, or be fined. The "fine" amount that I've heard ($600) is smaller than the cost of Obamacare. So many will just be forced to choose to pay more or just pay the fine which is less. My guess is that we'll build a bureaucracy to hunt down all the zillions that have no way to pay ... not even the fine... and they'll still be the ones showing up at the ER and we will treat them just as before i.e., the best medical care money can buy.


California's hospital ER's are full of NON US citizens... what are we going to do with them?

Greg,

I think it's the step they needed to take to get to single payer. They said they could not get there in one step, but if this law does what many think it will you'll have so much screaming from the middle class who's lost their coverage when their employer opts to drop it and pay the tax, or had to pay a bigger chunk of it from their employer that they can then push single payer through.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by syborg tt

Can I just have the Mustang - Pretty please. I will treat it nice I promise

No -- I'm tired of supporting all those losers that work on it -- and paying all those track fees and buying fuel and tires.... so I'm going to cancel the trailer build (my apologies to the factory guys that will be laid off -- it's not my fault - it's the other 47% fault because they didn't pull their weight!).

I don't want to burden you with my castoffs... That would be too democratic of me right? I mean - I'd act like I was going to give you something - but I'd really just be giving you added expenses in reality!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by camcojb

Greg,

I think it's the step they needed to take to get to single payer. They said they could not get there in one step, but if this law does what many think it will you'll have so much screaming from the middle class who's lost their coverage when their employer opts to drop it and pay the tax, or had to pay a bigger chunk of it from their employer that they can then push single payer through.

Single payer is just another step closer to socialism... Thank gawd we only have another 4 years to get there.

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Okay -- You've won!

In the morning I'm going to donate all my worldly possessions to the Goodwill... and I'm going to live in a cardboard box. Surely that will make me see the light.

Cute, but not a substantive reply to my comments. I can see you don't want to discuss these issues seriously.

As for the anecdotal stories concerning health care - if we were a single payer system, everyone would be covered for the same basic (perhaps age adjusted) premium. Thank the GOP (and the insurance company lobbyists that bought them and their Democratic sympathizers) that the insurance companies are still involved, still need to be assured their profit, and therefore still need to be able to slice and dice the insurable populace to assure that they still "earn" that profit.

[hifi875]

If you think the single payer system is great, look at Canada. There is a lot of canadians on here. Ask them!
Healthcare is a privilege. If you truly can't afford it there are already systems in place. If you can but choose not to, then it's your problem, your responsibility. That's the problem, there is no personal responsibility, and Obama loves it

[fleetus macmullitz]

Please excuse the red, it just goes so good with the white and the blue.

Here is something that I think we may all agree on. I saw it a few minutes ago and signed it.
__________________________________________________ _______

ACLJ ‏@ACLJ We must stop sending billions of our tax dollars to radical regimes http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0 Sign the petition. Stop funding radical regimes.

"Anti-American violence continues in an alarming number of Middle East and North African nations. With the Obama Administration continuing to send U.S. taxpayer dollars to these nations, Congress is taking action.

Congressional leaders are attempting to stop nearly $500 million dollars from being sent to Egypt. Soon there will be hearings to investigate the death of our Ambassador and other Americans in Libya. Support their efforts; sign our petition calling for the Obama Administration to stand up for America and halt the funding.
__________________________________________________

Petition to Stop Funding Radical Middle East Nations

"To: President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton
Your Administration must stand up for America - stop apologizing and condemn these abhorrent attacks. All U.S. funding to these countries must end until stable governments – which support America – are put in place."

http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0


Side note-I used to not give petitions much thought. However, I saw one of the ACLJ's recent petitions snowball into a worldwide effort that put so much pressure on our State Department and then the U.N. as well, that Iran released one of their own citizens, a peaceable young husband and father, from an Iranian prison who had been sentenced to death...for saying things they didn't like!

[syborg tt]

I agree !

Originally Posted by compos mentis

Please excuse the red, it just goes so good with the white and the blue.

Here is something that I think we may all agree on. I saw it a few minutes ago and signed it.
__________________________________________________ _______

ACLJ ‏@ACLJ We must stop sending billions of our tax dollars to radical regimes http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0 Sign the petition. Stop funding radical regimes.

"Anti-American violence continues in an alarming number of Middle East and North African nations. With the Obama Administration continuing to send U.S. taxpayer dollars to these nations, Congress is taking action.

Congressional leaders are attempting to stop nearly $500 million dollars from being sent to Egypt. Soon there will be hearings to investigate the death of our Ambassador and other Americans in Libya. Support their efforts; sign our petition calling for the Obama Administration to stand up for America and halt the funding.
__________________________________________________

Petition to Stop Funding Radical Middle East Nations

"To: President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton
Your Administration must stand up for America - stop apologizing and condemn these abhorrent attacks. All U.S. funding to these countries must end until stable governments – which support America – are put in place."

http://bit.ly/Uw2XE0


Side note-I used to not give petitions much thought. However, I saw one of the ACLJ's recent petitions snowball into a worldwide effort that put so much pressure on our State Department and then the U.N. as well, that Iran released one of their own citizens, a peaceable young husband and father, from an Iranian prison who had been sentenced to death...for saying things they didn't like!

[Fluid Power]

Originally Posted by hifi875

If you think the single payer system is great, look at Canada. There is a lot of canadians on here. Ask them!
Healthcare is a privilege. If you truly can't afford it there are already systems in place. If you can but choose not to, then it's your problem, your responsibility. That's the problem, there is no personal responsibility, and Obama loves it

Agreed.

I had my annual physical last week and asked my Doctor what he thought about this mess. He replied that if the government would just force the insurance companies to code services the same and allow him to submit payment request on a standard form, he would be miles ahead on paperwork. An interesting thought.

Darren

[Bucketlist2012]

@MKELCY....What is always with the Fox references ? And people are fools because they don't agree with you....You are just full of Liberal talking phrases that show a foolish side of yourself...So someone has a different point of view they must watch Fox ? Please, now that is ignorant.

We have our point of view based on real world experience..Just because we don't have your view of the world doesn't mean we watch Fox...That statement in itself is just a sheep herd talking point mentality...

Proof is in the pudding....The last 4 years have been a disaster...And the next 4 ? Well I won't say what will happen, but let's see where it leads..

You want real dialogue and debate, get off the calling people fools, and stop saying everyone who doesn't agree with you watches Fox...It is just a Liberal talking point, and not reality.

When the middle class pays for all the policies put in place, who will you blame ? When most people that are in need must drive gasoline powered cars and Obama and his energy Czar ON CAMERA said they want gasoline prices to be high like Europe to FORCE the green mandate, who will you blame ? Fox ? When the Obamacare tax hits the middleclass who will you blame ? Fox ? That argument is old and tired..The middle class is going to bear the costs and the poor will be crushed..

Our local charities are suffering the worst Inventory they have ever seen...The supplies to help the poor..The reporters say it is because people are struggling to pay their bills and gasoline, and higher food costs...Oh ya, it was ABC...So save your breath trying to blame me for watching Fox,haha... This is before 2013 when things get worse..

The printing and spending has devalued the currency or dollar unit to a point of danger...And forcing energy policies that raise the costs on the poor and middle class is just wrong...How many poor people are going to trade in their cars for a hybrid ? ZERO...So they suffer the energy mandate of this President, among other foolish policies.