Which Super Charger Kit & Were To Buy

[Z10ROD]

I'm just going to take this LSX over to KIM BARR and STROKE IT and add the oil squirters. I need to get back into a first gen. tired of my Mopar

[214Chevy]

This thread is very informative guys...thanks. I'm considering going forced induction myself. Can someone answer these questions or elaborate on them for me?

1) Approx how much does the Harrop unit cost?
2) What about Kenne Bell superchargers?
3) What about the upkeep/maintenance/reliability on superchargers?
4) I live in TX where it get 100+ degrees in the summer? How will this affect my summer driving?

[Sparks67]

Originally Posted by 214Chevelle

This thread is very informative guys...thanks. I'm considering going forced induction myself. Can someone answer these questions or elaborate on them for me?

1) Approx how much does the Harrop unit cost?
2) What about Kenne Bell superchargers?
3) What about the upkeep/maintenance/reliability on superchargers?
4) I live in TX where it get 100+ degrees in the summer? How will this affect my summer driving?

1) I bought mine direct from Harrop, but the cost can be variable since Harrop is made in Australia. There is an exchange rate that is involved, when you buy a product from overseas. The rate changes daily, so when I bought mine when the exchange rate was lower. Now exchange rate is higher. xe.com has the conversion rates. If you buy via credit card, then the quote will increase 3%. I did a bank to bank transfer, which saved me more money.

Also, you are not buying their kit. There is not kit for 67-69 Camaro, so you have to buy their Generic kit or "Hot Rod" version. You will need to specify on the brand of subframe, car, engine, different cylinder heads, which side the air box assembly is going to be on the car. Perhaps you want polished etc.

Currently Harrop has the Rear Drive version and FDFI version

Rear cog was an extra cost item. You just get a quote, but it changed daily for me.

Harrop prices their products in Australian Dollar so you need to do the conversion from XE.com to get the US Dollar.

You can buy retail from Thomson Automotive as well. Of course, he run through these options for you as well.

2) Kenne Bell could be an option, but their intake design is odd. I am not sure if there is accessory drive setup for 67-69 Camaro with DSE subframe.

3) Harrop and Magnacharger is based off the LS9 supercharger rotors. So this a proven design. Drive system self-contained synthetic oil lubrication system for no maintenance.

4) If you live in Texas, then you need to have a custom built radiator with intercooler heat exchanger designed for your application. I suggest you contact an expert to answer your questions. The best expert in the field is Gerhard Schruf of Bell Intercoolers. He gave me lot of good advice, so that is the first person that I would contact. Gerhard expertise is designing the intercooler system for the supercharger. Gerhard advised me with a different intercooler pump, which I haven't seen in a build to date. This pump flows more than the bosch intercooler pump. I contacted several companies to develop the cooling system, but Jim at AutoRad was the only company that could develop the entire system. Gets complicated, when you need transmission cooler, radiator, a/c condenser, intercooler heat exchanger, etc. Jim didn't recommend oil cooler via the radiator, but external cooler with a fan.

Packaging the system is the hardest part, because it varies on your application. Gerhard talked about putting the biggest intercooler heat exchanger behind the grill. Now you have to fit that into your core support, which limits you by design if you use the stock core support. Another option is develop a custom core support. Another cool build is this project from DSE. http://www.detroitspeed.com/projects...pi69-pg-1.html The photo is on page 6, but I think this might be the best design to date. The owner lives in Jacksonville, FL. I lived there for 4 years and temperature would be in high 90F, but the problem was the humidity. Ohio can get up to 100F during July and August as well. Never been to Texas. The design of the intercooler gives him the maximum airflow to the intercooler. Stielow uses the stock core support with thicker radiator. I went with the Autorad design by using a wider radiator. So, that is the 3 options that I know of cooling the intercooler heat exchanger.


Jeff

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by Sparks67

Packaging the system is the hardest part, because it varies on your application. Gerhard talked about putting the biggest intercooler heat exchanger behind the grill. Now you have to fit that into your core support, which limits you by design if you use the stock core support. Another option is develop a custom core support. Another cool build is this project from DSE. http://www.detroitspeed.com/projects...pi69-pg-1.html The photo is on page 6, but I think this might be the best design to date. The owner lives in Jacksonville, FL. I lived there for 4 years and temperature would be in high 90F, but the problem was the humidity. Ohio can get up to 100F during July and August as well. Never been to Texas. The design of the intercooler gives him the maximum airflow to the intercooler. Stielow uses the stock core support with thicker radiator. I went with the Autorad design by using a wider radiator. So, that is the 3 options that I know of cooling the intercooler heat exchanger.


Jeff

That was all really good info Jeff

But what about all different TVS2300 based superchargers internal coolers? Wich of them is most efficient?

[214Chevy]

I spoke to Jeff yesterday about 30 minutes in detail about superchargers, etc. This guy know his stuff and answered alot of my questions. Big ups to Jeff!!

[Sparks67]

Originally Posted by 214Chevelle

I spoke to Jeff yesterday about 30 minutes in detail about superchargers, etc. This guy know his stuff and answered alot of my questions. Big ups to Jeff!!

Thanks Marcus, when I built my engine it was lot of hands on learning experience. My engine builder involved me a lot in the build of the engine, so I know lot of the details. Although, I got lot of advice from the experts in the field.

Jeff

[gnx7]

Have you thought of running a turbo setup instead? Less heat soak, no belt slippage issues, electronic boost controller to modulate the power easier, EBC can also have multiple power settings vs having to change pullies, more hood clearance.....

Have fun putting down 700rwtq+ off idle to the pavement. Plus the ability for servicing of a turbo locally etc.

A killer turbo is around $1500 (or much much less), use factory cast GM exhaust manifolds for the hot side with a fabricated crossover to the turbo inlet (no need to buy headers), A/W or A/A intercooler options $200+ new, $350 wastegate new. Plenty of shops in TX can build you a custom setup if your shop can't.

I'm planning to make 700-800rwhp on a stock $650 shortblock with my setup. 1 setting for 91 octane/meth injection and another for e85.
Traction modulation from either boost by gear or Davis Technologies traction control via the Holley HP EFI.

[Sparks67]

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing

That was all really good info Jeff

But what about all different TVS2300 based superchargers internal coolers? Wich of them is most efficient?

The internal cooler underneath the supercharger? Well, there is only limted amount of testing on the new Harrop HTV2300 FDFI, since it was just released. That video is the only one that I seen so far on that new design. The brochure doesn't give you testing results, but more of a chart and a brief sentence. The problem is I don't see any data to back up the testing. So until you have more testing, it would be hard to make estimate at this time. Although, Gerhard Schruf of Bell Intercoolers did discuss about redesigning the internal intercooler for my Harrop HTV2300 in 2009. Never asked about the cost, but he be the person to talk too.

Jeff