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Old 05-11-2013, 08:28 AM
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yeah, this isn't the wild west and we arent cowboys anymore.
Even the old west wasn't the old west. Despite the Hollywood image and romantic stories to the contrary, most old west towns had lower per capita murder rates than any modern city.
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Even the old west wasn't the old west. Despite the Hollywood image and romantic stories to the contrary, most old west towns had lower per capita murder rates than any modern city.
I wouldnt know the truth or if I did I probably couldn't handle the truth. Splitting hairs, how about justified shoots? Could be a lot of shovel ready killings and not quite murder.
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Meanwhile back in The ol US of A.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...-shooting?lite

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What a shame! That's exactly my point, Greg's right, we don't have the way to defend ourselves, at least not in a fair way. But at the same time, we are not ready to carry a gun. We are not trained, nor capable to handle a gun.
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What a shame! That's exactly my point, Greg's right, we don't have the way to defend ourselves, at least not in a fair way. But at the same time, we are not ready to carry a gun. We are not trained, nor capable to handle a gun.
What is your idea of a person who is "trained and capable"?
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What is your idea of a person who is "trained and capable"?
The reality is anyone can own/purchase a gun regardless if they are a responsible person or not. I support the Constitution but too many idiots own guns and soon the government will be forced to do something about it which is really sad. This is not they case of a few bad apples but too too many bad apples.
I made a point of living in Los Angeles in the late 80's/90's. I was in high school back then and went to many "high school" parties and witnessed way too many guns in the possession of teenagers. I am sorry but there are way too many guns in the streets of America. People make the point of owning weapons to defend themselves. I think of where these weapons end up and it is crazy.
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The reality is anyone can own/purchase a gun regardless if they are a responsible person or not. I support the Constitution but too many idiots own guns and soon the government will be forced to do something about it which is really sad. This is not they case of a few bad apples but too too many bad apples.
I made a point of living in Los Angeles in the late 80's/90's. I was in high school back then and went to many "high school" parties and witnessed way too many guns in the possession of teenagers. I am sorry but there are way too many guns in the streets of America. People make the point of owning weapons to defend themselves. I think of where these weapons end up and it is crazy.
A: You're not mexMan
B: You didn't answer the question
C: The 80's are gone
D: You live is Cali which has huge problems on numerous levels
E: The remainder of the country is very different and diverse.

Back up your statements/views with facts. Should be easy enough....right?
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The reality is anyone can own/purchase a gun regardless if they are a responsible person or not. I support the Constitution but too many idiots own guns and soon the government will be forced to do something about it which is really sad. This is not they case of a few bad apples but too too many bad apples.
I made a point of living in Los Angeles in the late 80's/90's. I was in high school back then and went to many "high school" parties and witnessed way too many guns in the possession of teenagers. I am sorry but there are way too many guns in the streets of America. People make the point of owning weapons to defend themselves. I think of where these weapons end up and it is crazy.
Screw it...

No not anyone can own a gun legally. Morons like you don't seem to get that or want to believe it. Nor do all lawfully purchased firearms end up the hands of criminals at some point. You obviously spend way to much time watching the news and believing whatever they tell you. Read a book and educate your self on something and stop being sheep. Seriously why should a good person, who has no criminal record ever be stopped from owning anything they have earned? Are the good people responsible enough?

You don't support the 2nd amendment, which is obvious by your statement and I'm betting your the type that say's "it's for hunting". Stop trying to be the in between, none confrontational type. Pick a side and please stay off of mine. Trying reading the book "The 5000 year leap". Perhaps it will shed some light on how our country is designed and why. Follow up with "Still the Best Hope". Perhaps you'll learn why you, you're mind set and those like you are so messed up and flat out stupid. You and those like you, cause more problems than you will ever solve.

Don't like criminals having guns? How about supporting harsh laws that actually punish criminals? We spend more money on taking care of criminals than we should. Whatever happened to a speedy trial and a fair punishment? This means voting people into office who will do what's right and that means YOU have to be involved, holding your elected officials feet to the fire. Way to many people are uninvolved and figure someone else will take care of it while they doing nothing but complain about it. Try giving a **** and while you're at it, stop expecting someone else to resolve you're problems. How about you take responsibility for your own actions. Don't count on anyone or anything except your self. Have a little pride and while your at it, teach your children the same lesson and the importance of them passing it along to their children. It's called Integrity and Morals. Or are you going to pout and be the type that needs a trophy for every little league thing in life he signed up for?

Way to many people have the 'what's in it for me' attitude these days. They refuse to believe they are anything but victims and want someone to take care of them in one way or another...or in every way for that matter. "The Government" isn't the answer. It's been shown time and time again that many of our elected officials break the very laws they vote for. Do you honestly believe that they are looking out for you and are the best group to decided who can and can't have a gun...or anything else? The gun ranges and classes in my area are in crazy high demand now a days. More than ever people are learning to be better with and better at using their firearm. Bad apples? You demonize gun owns the way you put it, but the truth is that far more people are seeking education on the subject than you care to believe. Why? Because they are tired of a system that doesn't deliver. To many changes have been made...just to make change and everyone, except the scumbags, are getting taken advantage of. People are starting to realize that they need to be more self sufficient and protect what's theirs.

Did you ever stop to think that IF the amount of crime was low that people wouldn't feel the need to arm themselves in order to be protected? Sure would be nice to get back to the days when you didn't have to lock your doors, but that's not reality anymore. Don't blame those who own guns for being the problem. That's just stupid. Blame those who have created laws and a system that has breed dead beats, criminals, moochers. Blame those who cry victim at every turn. Blame those who are uninvolved.

Stop casting stones and don't be sheep. It's called REALITY!
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:09 AM
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new orleans is not part of the u s of a anymore. sadly after katrina hit, all the red white and blue left N.O. only the entitlement state was left behind....
they are not alone, take a closer look at how parts of the east coast are after storm sandy hit. its still a mess.
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