Bought a 69 Now Need Swap Advice

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Found a complete pull-out from a 04 GTO for $4200.

Anything special that would make this a worse swap than a camaro/firebird ls1 besides having to change the shifter location?

[glassman]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

Found a complete pull-out from a 04 GTO for $4200.

Anything special that would make this a worse swap than a camaro/firebird ls1 besides having to change the shifter location?

The accessory's mount. the alternator is too low for our camaros, will hit the linkage. I got an 04 out of a GTO too, engine only. Had the tranny. Effin kick a$$ engine though, mine supposedly had 42k miles on it. When we changed to the f body oil pan, sure didnt look like 42k to me. oh well, she runs FAST. Money well spent. I didnt have to move my shifter, course mines a 2nd gen. Not sure now that i think about it, how your accessory's will interfere.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Originally Posted by glassman

The accessory's mount. the alternator is too low for our camaros, will hit the linkage. I got an 04 out of a GTO too, engine only. Had the tranny. Effin kick a$$ engine though, mine supposedly had 42k miles on it. When we changed to the f body oil pan, sure didnt look like 42k to me. oh well, she runs FAST. Money well spent. I didnt have to move my shifter, course mines a 2nd gen. Not sure now that i think about it, how your accessory's will interfere.

Well, I pulled the trigger on it. I may have been reading something about swapping the transmission into a 2000 f body when they said the shifter was too far back which might not be a problem for my 1st Gen. Plus I just moved my drivers seat back 3 inches anyway. If the shifter is back a bit it will probably be comfortable.

Mine is rear steer so I maybe the alt won't be an issue? I did call Kwik Performance about accessories and options before I decided to go for it. He thought it would work fine except I'd need his AC bracket when I get that far.

Evidently the GTO transmission is preferred over the f body as it has the better synchros but I guess I'll find out.

Next is gas pedal, throttle cable, clutch pedal assembly, clutch master mounting and whatever the heck I'm going to get for engine mounts. Seems like everyone recommends different mounts. Maybe I should just Fab my own? Also seriously considering making my own transmission crossmember and mount. I'm thinking about doing the quicker ratio steering box while I'm in there as well.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Updates!



The engine/transmission should show up Monday. I went ahead and ordered the new Holley 302-2 pan since the GTO pan won't work and I'd probably end up modifying an F-body one anyway. I have no clue if the GTO clutch master will work but he's including it in the deal so we'll see what happens there. Along the same lines I went ahead and ordered the factory manual clutch pedal/brake pedal assembly as mine is an automatic with a console shift at the moment.

I think next I'll have to figure out which motor mounts to use and what headers they may fit with if (and a big if) I decide to run headers currently. I may just stick with manifolds for now if they'll fit but I'd like mounts that I can put heads on later.

Rebuilt my drivers side door hinge last night so I've got that going for me.
I've also ordered the factory assembly manual and fischer body manual so I've got them handy.

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats O'beer-wan

Now start a build thread!

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

Congrats O'beer-wan

Now start a build thread!

I don't know Ron.... I'm afraid that if I start a build thread my car will take me years and years to complete.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

I don't know Ron.... I'm afraid that if I start a build thread my car will take me years and years to complete.

And with sarcasm like that...you fit right in here

[67Rally]

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi

Well, I pulled the trigger on it. I may have been reading something about swapping the transmission into a 2000 f body when they said the shifter was too far back which might not be a problem for my 1st Gen. Plus I just moved my drivers seat back 3 inches anyway. If the shifter is back a bit it will probably be comfortable.

Mine is rear steer so I maybe the alt won't be an issue? I did call Kwik Performance about accessories and options before I decided to go for it. He thought it would work fine except I'd need his AC bracket when I get that far.

Evidently the GTO transmission is preferred over the f body as it has the better synchros but I guess I'll find out.

Next is gas pedal, throttle cable, clutch pedal assembly, clutch master mounting and whatever the heck I'm going to get for engine mounts. Seems like everyone recommends different mounts. Maybe I should just Fab my own? Also seriously considering making my own transmission crossmember and mount. I'm thinking about doing the quicker ratio steering box while I'm in there as well.

I have the GTO T56 in my '67. It does have better synchros than the Fbody's. The gearing is a little different as well. GTO is 2.97,2.07,1.43,1.0,.84,.56. F-body is 2.66,1.78,1.30,1.0,.74,.50.

I bought an aftermarket shifter for the GTO T56 that relocates it to the F-body position. You will still need to enlarge the shifter hole 1-2" back from the stock position.

I think the alt location may interfere with your subframe. You may have to relocate it, or notch the frame.

[MaxHarvard]

I can recommend a book to help

LS Swaps into first and Second Gens

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Thanks again guys for your help! I should be receiving the engine, transmission and associated wiring today.

My next dilemma is engine mount choice so I'll be perusing the forums today to try to decide which ones to get. ATM, I'm leaning towards the dingo adjustables as they would allow a greater degree of freedom I in case of headers or what have you.