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Old 10-16-2008, 05:02 AM
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A 4 link (Prodigy Bar or Air Bar prefered) but any good 4 link in the rear will make the rear ride nice. Up front some adjustable shocks like QA1 or Vari Shock and some good springs will do. If you want to lower it and maintain ride,look into lower arms or spindles that will lower it and retain a full spring.

Air Ride is something else though. I just get more impressed everyday with air. I would put the ride of Project EmptyNest up against any other lowered car for ride quality. I HATE rough riding cars. The only tPro Touring car I ever road in that was low that rode better is Project Prodigy with a full chassis and independant suspension, coil overs and double adjustable QA1s. I put a big emphasis on ride quality in our builds, especially our personal builds.

can you give me a little more insight on Project EmptyNest? suspension specs? So the best suspension for a comfortable ride is a good 4 link and tubular control arms up front with coil-overs? Or is AirRide the best option? btw I have solid body bushing's, Moog UCA n LCA bushings, leaf spring bushings, leaf springs, coil springs all new & installed...including new adjustable KYB shocks and I still do what I posted on the original thread which is why I'm here asking what you guys think
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:31 AM
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Well, I probably confused that a bit saying how good the Air Ride was then comparing it to the coil over set up in Project Prodigy. Nothing I have seen will beat the ride quality of a extremely rigid full frame welded to the body with independent suspension at all 4 corners. We are also talking about 1000s of hours of fabrication. So if you are a super talented fabricator or have a big bank, Full frame / independent is probably not going to be a option for you. I cannot help but wonder how Project Prodigy would ride with Air Springs though, HUM!

So staying with a stock modified configuration with Project EmptyNest. We like to get the body and frame together as one the best we can with a subframe eliminating as much deflection between the body and frame eliminate shake, which transfers into the seat of your pants. Yours is not a convertible, but convertibles suffer very badly from this "cowl shake". So on Emptynest we put the subframe in solid with no bushings (which lowered the car almost a inch without screihng with the suspension), DSE frame connecters welded in, and we made a roll bar / back brace system to eliminate more twist / cowl shake. Once the body and frame were rigid, we used a Speedtech subframe and Prodigy Bar rear with shockwaves. Ride quality would be the same with a stock subframe to. Control arms will mean nothing for ride quality, it will be all in the spring shock combo up front. In the rear, the Prodigy Bar frees up the rear end movment by liberating the rear end, allowing it to move more freely then leaf springs do.

Again, assuming you want a performance suspension, and a cool lower stance, (you would not be here if you did not), you have to be careful with component selection to achieve ride / stance / handling. You can do it with heavy lowering springs front and rear, but every lowered leaf spring car I have rode in that handled good rode horrible! Same for massive front springs. Then if the suspension is stiff and the car to chassis relationship is mushy, every bump signal is amplified by the time it gets to the seat of your pants, or your back!
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:54 PM
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Again, assuming you want a performance suspension, and a cool lower stance, (you would not be here if you did not), you have to be careful with component selection to achieve ride / stance / handling. You can do it with heavy lowering springs front and rear, but every lowered leaf spring car I have rode in that handled good rode horrible! Same for massive front springs.
This is EXACTLY what i have lol lowered heavy 800lbs rated coils springs 225lbs rated leafs...k so let's say I have a subframe with G-Braces and welded in subframe connectors, along with solid body bushings...what sort of suspension would compliment it for the best ride possible that can be achieved?
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Old 10-16-2008, 06:51 PM
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There is a company out there that thinks that stiffer is better for second gens. that is the easy way to make something handle.

Like I said, a Prodigy Bar and some stock spring with good shocks, and it you want it lowered we could look into lower arms with a lowered spring pocket to get the ride height down and still have full spring travel.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:20 PM
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You`re running 800lb/in front and 225lb/in rear springs with $27 KYB shocks? You`re WAY underdampened, no wonder it rides rough. You`re probably bouncing off the bumpstops. You could also drop the front spring rate 150lbs/in and not give up any street performance. Install a GOOD set of performance shocks, at the very least Bilsteins and you`ll get a huge improvement. To really compliment higher spring rates you should have adj. rate shocks like Varishock or equivalent. Start firm and back it off until it rides/handles the way you want. Mark SC&C
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