Save GM

[BRIAN]

Unlike most people here I use my real name. Anybody who knows me will tell you I am pro buying US built cars and blast every magazine for being Japanese biased. I will never own a Japanese car simply as I feel they are engineered to last a specific amount of time and that is it. Nobody can look at a Japanese part and tell me it wasn't engineered to just do its job and get by at it. US mfg's on the hand were building alternator brackets that have lasted 40 years and can support the weight of the car itself. Cars should be bought on what you want not what some biased magazine tells you and the field would be even.

I totally agree with the perception concept. Where are all these 300k mile Japanese cars??? Were are all the 10 year old Lexus and Infiniti's??? Try and kill a Chevy Cavalier? You can't but the problem is it is ugly as hell and the cosmetics fall apart and that is what consumers see.

GM has refused to use quality interior parts heck they still insist on throwing the same knobs from a $10k car into a $65k car. Consumers notice this. You can't hide quality of leather in a Caddy compared to a BMW.


I want nothing more to see the big three pull through but after watching the hearings I sadly have to say they just still do not have a plan for a change. Where is the presentation of the REAL new cars that will appear to the public. They wasted their time and money on the Vettes, Camaro, and Challangers. These are not what will pull them out, the next Ford Taurus will.

Perception is also their fault. They do not advertise that GM produces so many fuel effecient cars. Can anybody here name the cars that Ford makes besides the Mustang? Besides the Malibu what is GM other cars???
We are car guys in the Industry who can't answer this let alone the 18year old who is next in line to make these purchases.

It does not look good and hope all will take action as I did. Look at all the posts today, this should be the top post and everybody should be sending off emails. Problem is people do not care. They only care about themselves and that means they can but a car somewhere else. Sorry state of affairs.

I am on your side but again it does not look good!!

[TonyL]

aaand this morning all three executives showed up in their private jets at a cost of $22,000 PER COMPANY. the price of a first class ticket? 800 bucks.

These guys JUST DONT GET IT. Dont stand on a street corner in an armani suit with your hand out. Start ACTING like you're hurting and people might believe it. Loan or no, There is NO EVIDENCE that any of the big three have a plan to get themselves out of the habits that got them where they are. You dont give money to a crack addict that hasn't been to rehab. These guys are just going to blow whatever we give them. Bad businesses deserve to die. Another company or companies will rise up to take their place. Sometimes you have to cut off a rotting limb so the body can survive. It hurts, but it's what has to be done.

[Vegas69]

Bingo.....somebody will buy them and make them profitable if in fact they fail. Only problem is it probably won't be an American company. Hell it's hard enough to get an American beer now.

Originally Posted by TonyL

aaand this morning all three executives showed up in their private jets at a cost of $22,000 PER COMPANY. the price of a first class ticket? 800 bucks.

These guys JUST DONT GET IT. Dont stand on a street corner in an armani suit with your hand out. Start ACTING like you're hurting and people might believe it. Loan or no, There is NO EVIDENCE that any of the big three have a plan to get themselves out of the habits that got them where they are. You dont give money to a crack addict that hasn't been to rehab. These guys are just going to blow whatever we give them. Bad businesses deserve to die. Another company or companies will rise up to take their place. Sometimes you have to cut off a rotting limb so the body can survive. It hurts, but it's what has to be done.

exactly, everyone says we need to bail gm out to protect their hard working employees, which doesnt make any sense because GM execs do not care one bit about their workers, they will ship every single assembly job to any country in the world in a hearbeat. yet people are loyal to the gm brand.

[Rhino]

You looking for a career change Tony? I wonder if we could round up enough voting stock to get you to the top.

[monza]

Originally Posted by TonyL

aaand this morning all three executives showed up in their private jets at a cost of $22,000 PER COMPANY. the price of a first class ticket? 800 bucks.

These guys JUST DONT GET IT. Dont stand on a street corner in an armani suit with your hand out. Start ACTING like you're hurting and people might believe it. Loan or no, There is NO EVIDENCE that any of the big three have a plan to get themselves out of the habits that got them where they are. You dont give money to a crack addict that hasn't been to rehab. These guys are just going to blow whatever we give them. Bad businesses deserve to die. Another company or companies will rise up to take their place. Sometimes you have to cut off a rotting limb so the body can survive. It hurts, but it's what has to be done.

Drives me crazy!!
Being in business for myself I hate seeing bailouts- no one comes to bail me out -sink or swim. I realize I'm tiny business, this is global business with a lot of jobs on the line. Sorry for the people involved on this site on a personal level, I know no one else in the auto industry. Hope it work out for you guys.

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Bingo.....somebody will buy them and make them profitable if in fact they fail. Only problem is it probably won't be an American company. Hell it's hard enough to get an American beer now.

IMO I see a major hurdle selling any of the Big 3 if it goes the way of Chapter 11, which I bet it won't. The automotive unions... who in there right mind would want to buy into dealing with that??? They'll be waiting in the back ground for raises, new demands, ready to walk/lock out when they don't get what they want, impossible to run a business hand cuffed to a union. There's the rotting arm to chop off.

[ItDoRun]

Originally Posted by surreyboy

exactly, everyone says we need to bail gm out to protect their hard working employees, which doesnt make any sense because GM execs do not care one bit about their workers, they will ship every single assembly job to any country in the world in a hearbeat. yet people are loyal to the gm brand.

You're right! All these clue impaired executives give a **** about is their year end bonus! They forget about the people who work to put these bonuses in their back pocket...and their families. It's a real shame this country has developed into this, but it's about time we start holding people ACCOUNTABLE for their decisions. I'm held accountable each and every day at my job, why shouldn't they be?

Let's face it, the day of pensions are slowly fading away. ExxonMobil is phasing it out. Dow Chemical has been for the last couple of years. And I'm sure there are many other big corporations doing the same that I'm not aware of.

I really feel for those that could potentially lose most, if not, all of their retirement. Hopefully it all works out for those people.

[TonyL]

Originally Posted by ItDoRun

t's about time we start holding people ACCOUNTABLE for their decisions. I'm held accountable each and every day at my job, why shouldn't they be?

Exactly. The big three is spending money right now producing scary videos showing what will happen if they fail. Not mentioning that the suppliers and manufacturers of their parts also produce parts for honda, toyota, and every other major manufacturer in the business. Their jobs, im sure, are safe. Dealerships will adapt to sell products that *actually sell* for once. Many of those jobs will be still exist. Im sure a HUGE amount of job loss will occur. There will be a painful transition period. But this country was founded on the principal of "the strongest survive" and it needs to stay that way. Coddling these fools who've mishandled their billion dollar industries is NOT the answer.

[Huxsol81]

Originally Posted by TonyL

aaand this morning all three executives showed up in their private jets at a cost of $22,000 PER COMPANY. the price of a first class ticket? 800 bucks.

WELL SAID!!!!!!

[camaro2nv]

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The best part about this all is this has been going on for years. If they cant get it straight by now what makes anyone think they'll be able to get it right after they get the cash.