First Gen Camaro Subframe Feedback...

[skatinjay27]

Originally Posted by awr68

Mike doesn't really have them labeled as "Deep Tubs" does he?

no thier labled as "pro touring" frame rails.
but that seem like a hard product to label with a short name.

for the average guy or even a guy who drives his car pretty hard will probally never max out a DSE, AME, Jakesrodshop hell i fell even a modified stock like the ATS setup.
its just depends on how much your customer wants to spend.

thats one of the problems with jake (at least on here and pt.com) he keep pretty quiet and people dont hear about his products or if hes testing them... hell i didnt even know he had developed and rear suspension setup till steve told be about it sema weekend.
and like others said he does test his car quiet a bit and has had the subframe done for about a year now.

[Steve Chryssos]

This video makes me cheer every time I watch it. Jake must be possessed by the spirit of Dale Earnhardt. And his R&D car, called DESTROYER, really goes! Watch how early he gets back in the throttle. Ultimately, THAT's what you're buying. I don't sell subframes or chassis components--never have never will. Comparing features is important, but the bottom line is: Which chassis system is easiest to drive? And you can turn that around: Which chassis system makes me look good. All of the front steer options extremely good and closely competitive. Rear steer stuff doesn't do it for me.

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[JamesJ]

This is about all suspension stuff...

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

And his R&D car, called DESTROYER, really goes! Watch how early he gets back in the throttle. Ultimately, THAT's what you're buying.

But also, just because you get back on the gas sooner does not mean your suspension is better, maybe you are on the correct line, maybe you enter the corner slower, maybe everybody else is worse.

He may have the best product, I don’t know, I have never seen it, heck even if i saw it i would not know, I just know that there are so many variables and like said before unless you are really going to be maxing your car out all the time, you will be better off spending money on driving lessons and sticky tires.

Also, the little I have communicated with Jake he seems like a good guy.

[68protouring454]

Originally Posted by JamesJ

This is about all suspension stuff...




But also, just because you get back on the gas sooner does not mean your suspension is better, maybe you are on the correct line, maybe you enter the corner slower, maybe everybody else is worse.

He may have the best product, I don’t know, I have never seen it, heck even if i saw it i would not know, I just know that there are so many variables and like said before unless you are really going to be maxing your car out all the time, you will be better off spending money on driving lessons and sticky tires.

Also, the little I have communicated with Jake he seems like a good guy.

true.
However, there are a few guys here who saw the car on the road course, as well as you can watch my videos and watch entry speed compared to others, its faster, and it blows the spec miata guys away when we enter a chicane with a few lengths between us, by the end of it I am all over them. That said, tires,shocks and experience pay off. that said its all about which set up makes you feel the most comfortable pushing hard in a nice car.
My susp set up makes the car very predictable at speed and at edge of traction, I ran 4 full weekend track days since august, as well as 8 autox's and 2500 street miles. When pushing the car to the point that the car powers slides at speed(65-90) my susp stays very predictable and is very easy to get out of oversteer situations, without the susp getting out of balance. My susp is very adjustable, which can sometimes make it harder for the end user, but in my case, I can take a year of tuning out of the equation, because I have done the work. Its nice being able to adjust the car for different driving styles, and for teaching you how to identify different situations in the car, IE- too tight, too loose etc. This then helps you go further and dial in turn in, mid turn and exit. Which makes my system very well designed and balanced. We used computer design (win geo, solid works) first, then built and manually checked to verify the geometry.
here some specs, I have the full win geo camber curve,caster curve,bump curve charts if needed.
JRS Apex Chassis
61.25 track
107 instant center
.815 roll center
.776 shock motion ratio
-.85 camber gain per inch of bump
7 degrees caster built in
.010 bump steer in 4 inches of travel (in design and when manually checked)
modified r/p to dial in steering geometry
custom valved bilstein coil overs included, 6 way adjustable as option
1.25 splined sway bar, greasable pillow blocks
cnc custom drop steering arms (proprietary)
cnc lower coil over mount(proprietary)
Allows a 10 inch wheel with 285 tire
All said, anyone is welcome to come for a ride and make the decision for yourself. Dse and ame have great subframes, but mine is geared to the more serious driver who plans on attending more track days etc then the average guy. Thats why we have custom valved bilstein coil overs, more aggressive neg camber gain,initial caster settings wider track width, then the other guys.
Thanks guys please ask away or email me.
[email protected]

[comp-spec]

? How do I get 1 for my Camaro..What's with this rear system you have coming out ?
I'm going to be doing the 67 over soon ..... We're going to have to talk

[Vegas69]

It's not all about performance. It's the total package for me. I want something that looks great and rides nice as well. Couldn't be happier with my choice. I am not doubting any other sub but I feel since I have first hand knowledge it should be known. Others that are not part of the industry should step in as well.

[Steve Chryssos]

Originally Posted by HzEmall Customs

....Customer wants .... go like hell, turn on dime, then stop on a dime and give him 9 pennies back" to quote.........

Tim (thread starter) suggests that performance is top priority for his customer.

[Vegas69]

Good point....no wonder I wasn't an honor student. I bet he is still interested in the other variables unless this is a track only car however.

[fleet]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Good point....no wonder I wasn't an honor student.

That's only because for some strange reason they didn't offer coursework such as Camaro 101, 202, 302 and 427.

[Steve Chryssos]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

.....I bet he is still interested in the other variables......

Agreed. We all are.