My 69 Camaro needs your honest opinions - Lateral-g Forums

Datsbad · #1 02-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Man bud , I see why you are not happy.
As a builder I would never dream of putting anything out there like this, if I did I would be out of business for sure.

This is the kind of work out there that people do then bring it to us to be fixed. The problem is the only thing I see fit to do is to "redo" EVERYTHING.

The housing is runied, or at least the brackets, the trunk....holy crap and the quarters, man this guy should never think that building cars is in his future. Holy crap man I just cant believe people can live with thereself after charging someone like that .

The purpose of this forum and others is to inform eveyone out there of places to stay away from as well as the people that help this industry.

With that being said , who is it?
Lets just hope its not a sponsor like Anthonys deal was ....?????
Looks like another "KARMA" Get the paypal donations started !!!!!!!

Nvrenuf · #2 02-03-2009, 04:58 PM

Oh Man. Many of us feel for ya. As you already know, the job is not good and will not last long. I hate to say it, but I don't think they've ever welded before. All you can do at this point is chock it up to an expensive education. We have all done it before.

ironworks · #3 02-03-2009, 05:34 PM

IRONWORKS SPEED AND KUSTOM did the majority of the work on this car.

We were hired to install a quadra link and minitubs, and do the quarters.

There are many parts Tyson is leaving out, like the fact the Work was not completed when done. When I went to go look at the car before we did the work, I told him to take it to a frame shop and have it straightened because the wheel base on passenger side was off by at least a 1/2". He then took it to a frame shop and had it straightened. Then weeks later he brought the car to me supposedly after it was straightened. We then began work on the car by doing the mini tubs and quarter panels. Well we found out that the car was not even square enough to fit the tubs in according to the tub templates. The tubs and everything was pushed forward on the passenger side alot. We had to align the quarter panels with the wheel base only to find that the door jam on the was about a 1/2" forward of the old door jamb and the rear section that would attach or line up with the trunk lid was about 3/8 of an inch long. So we installed the doors and front sheetmetal to see how things fit and to tray and find one sqaure stiaght edge. Everything lied up with the new door jamb not the old. OR you would have to have a 3/4" door gap to align with the the front sheet metal properly. Then you get to the other side and it was completely the opposite. AT this point I realized I was knee deep in crap and married to quite possibly the worst 69 camaro ever. The Good mark quarters had many other issues like body lines that had to be moved and so on and so forth. I could go on and on.

Yeah we worked on this car over 18 months ago and the Project left unfinished so the owner could take it home and try mock up some things to see what else was no right. Since it left my shop the car has been in 3 other shops that I know of, and has been worked on by other people since it left my shop. So who knows what status it is in now.

Tyson also has left out the fact that total price includes many many other parts installed on this car. AND that I deducted over 10,000 bucks on this project just to be somewhat slightly reasonable on a time and materials job.

He also leaves out fact he filed a complaint with the BAR 6 months ago and the never came to a conclusion. If It is that bad, then what happened?

He also leaves out the fact the Guy he hired to primer the car said the work was up to par for unfinished work.

Tyson also leaves out the fact that I have called him 6 months ago and asked him if there was anything I could do to right the situation on the car. He told me he would rather contine on with his BAR complaint. He then went on to tell people all over town that he was going to get ALL his money back and put me out of business after the car had left my shop 13 months before. And just 2 months before he gave me some camaro parts at my shop for some mock up parts.

Well wouldn't you know that now he thinks he can harass me after I offered to work with Him on anything he was not happy with. And file false claims with the BAR.

Tyson why don't you tell everyone how much you paid for the car at night in someones garage after only inspecting the passenger side in 2007, not 1969. As far as Tyson knew at the time it just had minor rust. Floors were solid, and so on. Tell everyone what you found after you striped the interior. You did not tell me this until we cut the quarter panels off the car. When you get a car that looks to be this straight for that cheap you should have known. Shoot even the roof on the car is bent. This car has been in one hell of an accident and when you buy a roller 1969 camaro in California for 2000 bucks you get what you pay for. You are now just trying to take this out on me after you made the decision to press on. I asked you many time before we got to deep do " ARE YOU SURE" another car would be cheaper, Of course I'm married to it at this point.

I have done alot of work that I have posted on this site, We do quality work. Always have Always will. So if you look at the work on this car and know that we have worked on it, you have to know that there are two sides to every story. Apparently this post was started on friday and he got banned from the site and had created 3 screen names to try and try to get at me since.

So what other shops has this car been in after it left my place?

Rodger Lee

ironworks · #4 02-03-2009, 05:54 PM

Well here are 2 pics of axle housings, one from Scotts camaro and the other from the DSE website. And the editorial from Scott installing his Quadralink. If I'm wrong I guess I'm in made the same mistakes as the masters.

INSTALLING THE BRACKETS ON THE HOUSING: The first step that I decided to take on was getting the brackets installed on the housing. With the Quadra-Link system, it's recommended that you set the pinion angle at negative 2*. I made a homemade jig by welding a pair of 6" angle iron standoffs to the top of my welding table. Using an angle finder, I set the pinion angle and tack welded it into place. The next step was to find the center of the housing. I measured my housing flange to flange, found the center and marked it on the welding table. From this point I measured out to find the centerline of the upper link/coilover axle mount (14.75") and the centerline of the lower link bracket (19.625"). Since my housing ends were already welded, I had to cut each of those 4 brackets so they could fit over the 3" axle tube. With the housing already set at a -2* pinion, the brackets are set with a level. I tack welded the brackets to the housing (being sure to use the included inside spacers to ensure the links will fit into the brackets after welding). Then I tack welded the cut pieces of the brackets back together. With all four brackets now tacked to the housing, the track bar bracket gets welded to the left lower link bracket. I should note that my tack welds were solid but minimal. I needed it to carry the weight of the car for mock up, yet I needed to be able to remove the brackets in case I ran into an unforeseen issue.

**DOOM** · #5 02-03-2009, 05:04 PM

WOW this is criminal!!!!!!!! $24000.00

Here we go again!!

ItDoRun · #6 02-03-2009, 05:04 PM

I can't believe what I just saw in those photos. That's horrible! Please let everyone know who it was so the next guy doesn't end up in the same situation.

**DOOM** · #7 02-03-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ItDoRun

I can't believe what I just saw in those photos. That's horrible! Please let everyone know who it was so the next guy doesn't end up in the same situation.

P L E A S E X2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Musclerodz · #8 02-03-2009, 05:32 PM

I posted over at PT. Get a lawyer. I feel for ya. You got taken. Guy has no clue what he is doing.

awr68 · #9 02-03-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Datsbad

Lets just hope its not a sponsor like Anthonys deal was ....?????

Jason, for the record mine was f-ed up by a senior member not sponsor......

bcbuilder · #10 02-03-2009, 07:39 PM

in fairness to ironworks that rear end looks to be fabbed up correctly.The pinion on a 9 inch is offset and one would be wrong to measure from the pinion not the housing.other than that the work looks totally substandard.Im surprised this threads still up, i guess the mods havnt recieved free parts from ironworks so they are not sure what to do.Im sure this post of mine will be deleted.But its the sad truth about this site.Its time for the honest enthusiasts and shops to stand up to these crooks who are turning our buisness/hobby into a joke.