Which Brakes

[jamesg602]

I have been looking into Baer's front track kit for my 68 camaro, and saw two different style rotors (13"). One is the one peice and the other is the two piece with a black center hat, I would like to know what are if any advantages for going with the two piece rotor over the one piece? Is there any advantages for going with this Baer's kit over a C5 kit from Touring Classics as far as the one piece rotor is concerned. Any recomendations for any other packages such as a wilwood kit?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I suggest checking Precision Brakes. They have Wilwood kits and there own kits that use Wilwood components.

We run a lot of Wilwood, and it is really nice stuff. A Baer track system is SO heavy, the 13' track system I sold weighed close to double what the 14" Wilwwod system we replaced it with.

Also, a bit of a shamless plug, after specing out your Precision brakes, you can get a 15% discount at GPSuperStore.com on your order

[enthusiast]

There is a reason the Baer system is heavier than the Wilwood system. The Baer rotors are thicker for better durability and heat dissipation than the Wilwood rotors. They can withstand more heat cycles. You need to fully understand the workings of the entire brake system before you just look at one aspect such as weight. If that were the case, companies such as GM an Ford would just go with the lightest rotors possible on cars such as the Corvette. However, they need to think about other features of the entire system, also.

The one-piece rotor is the most common rotor type. The two-piece rotor is more of a cosmetic upgrade. It was originally designed for racers who needed to change the rotors due to wear on the race track. The two-piece rotor allowed them to keep the same hat section and bolt on a new outer rotor. For street cars, it is mostly cosmetic. The hat section on a two-piece rotor is aluminum as opposed to cast iron on a one-piece rotor.

Hope this helps.

[jannes_z-28]

Since braking is about taking care of heat the mass of the rotor is important. A heavier rotor can take away more heat than a light rotor. In other words a heavy rotor is better if you are going to drive your car hard.

This has been discussed many times and this also explains why you shouldn't drill holes in rotors. Driling removes mass and therefore reduce the rotors brakeeffect.

All brake systems can handle ONE hard brake but a good system should be able to handle many hard brakes in a short time.


Jan

[ProdigyCustoms]

The rotor thickness on the Wilwoods I have here are 1.125 VS 1.25 for the Baer track set up. The .125 difference is not the major contributor to the weight loss. The weight loss is in the aluminum hat, and lighter caliper. The 6 piston calipers from Wilwood are lighter then the single piston Baer. The track calipers and brackets are bricks.

I have driven the hell out of cars with Wilwood street brakes, with no warping or heat issues. No, I have not had them on a road coarse for 12 hours, but I doubt anyone else here will either. i have however made 150 to 0 stops inside of a 1/4 mile repeadily, and I am a notorius fast driver and late braker on the street. I can warp some brakes, done to stockers plenty.

[enthusiast]

As mentioned, you can get the Baer system with an aluminum hat section. Additionally, there is a reason the Baer brackets weigh more than the Wilwood brackets. There needs to be sufficient struture in the brackets to prevent any flexing in the system. If you get any flex in the brackets or calipers, you will get a long or soft pedal. If you are not pushing your car hard on a road course, why are you so concerned about weight. Safety is he main concern with a brake system.

[jamesg602]

Originally Posted by enthusiast

As mentioned, you can get the Baer system with an aluminum hat section. Additionally, there is a reason the Baer brackets weigh more than the Wilwood brackets. There needs to be sufficient struture in the brackets to prevent any flexing in the system. If you get any flex in the brackets or calipers, you will get a long or soft pedal. .

Has the Willwood kit or C5 ever given a soft pedal due to hard use or lighter brackets? Nothing against a Baer kit or anyone else I am just looking for the best bang for my buck.

[enthusiast]

I can't answer that, because I have never used a Wilwood kit on a track. I have chosen other systems.

[sinned]

Originally Posted by enthusiast

As mentioned, you can get the Baer system with an aluminum hat section. Additionally, there is a reason the Baer brackets weigh more than the Wilwood brackets. There needs to be sufficient struture in the brackets to prevent any flexing in the system. If you get any flex in the brackets or calipers, you will get a long or soft pedal. If you are not pushing your car hard on a road course, why are you so concerned about weight. Safety is he main concern with a brake system.

Do you actually work for Baer or just one of the die hard loyalists? The typical Baer kits are not that impressive and can be easily duplicated for a fraction of the cost. Wilwood brakes offer a true competition upgrade vs. OE design that we just slap our name on and provide a bracket to adapt it to other spindles. Please bring tech if you intend to put down a manufacturer, simply stating that one is better (after admitting you have never used the one are putting down) is in very poor form.

I would add that simply making a bracket heavier has zero to do with strength or structural integrity. The reason for the concern about weight is that in a brake application that is known as un-sprung weight and has the same affect as adding almost 3X as much weight anywhere else on the car. Un-sprung weight leads to suspension unbalance, poor braking distances, poor acceleration, accelerated tire wear, and reduced fuel economy.

Got to add my smiley so nobody takes this the wrong way.

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