FINALLY!! Headers for LSX+DSE combination

[customcam]

The quality/materials look great but you have to justify that amount some how, if you can.
Power/torque increase?? no numbers "yet"...??

[Josh@KYTP]

Its inovation, capitolisim, marketing and everything else at its finest. They know people want them. They know people will buy them. Are they high? Isnt everything they sell high? It is and they are for a reason. It works for them.

They are nice headers. No doubt about it. are they out of line? I dont think so. Look at turbo headers. Alot more $$$$. Alot less material.

[WSSix]

Something else I noticed that I don't like, O2 bung placement. It's too close to the merge so you'll be getting too much signal from one cylinder. I haven't seen these in a car so I'm not sure why they have such a short collector on them but ideally, the bung needs to move away more to get a better mix from all cylinders on that bank.

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by WSSix

$2230 is nuts. That's really uncalled for and way over priced. Stainless Works has been making their 304 headers for half that for pretty much ever. They may not have this particular application but they have many many others.
Here's what $1600 will buy you and I can assure you, it's a more difficult fit than putting headers onto an LSx in a 1st gen. These are some of the best C5/6 vette headers on the planet.
http://www.lgmotorsports.com/catalog...c14775624dc194

What would i do with set of 1600$ headers if i cant get them to fit my chassis ?? What is the point of saving 830 there ? And believe me i have done the search on these. StainlessWorks do not offer anything on DSE sub + LSx combination. How about plug wires ? How many headers you have seen take stock wires? ( header wires cost $$$ too )

Originally Posted by Vegas69

I agree that the price is out of this world. I bet lemons has a set of killer headers for way less.

Similar headers made in stainless cost even more at Lemons.( 2450+220 for V bands= 2670$ )

Did we set a beers as bet ??

I wish there would be cheaper alternative. But so far i have not found any in stainless,1 7/8" and V bands

[Bowtieracing]

Originally Posted by Sparky67

Well, Lemons can give you the design that you need. Regardless, even if you get Stainless headers. You will still need to have them ceramic coated. Tom Nelson recommends that be done on their turbo headers.

Jeff

Yes,nothing against lemons but i just cant afford them. And all props to Tom but i dont feel like needing coating on N/A stainless headers.

[Vegas69]

My thoughts were that you could have a set of regular steel headers made by lemons for quite a bit less. Stainless is a whole different story. I've never been a fan of the blueing of any exhaust pipe.

[JamesJ]

The hard part is room, Even ATS headers are not really the best example of a TRY-Y here is a set that are used in nascar

[Bowtieracing]

That ATS flange is like piece of art

[WSSix]

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing

What would i do with set of 1600$ headers if i cant get them to fit my chassis ?? What is the point of saving 830 there ? And believe me i have done the search on these. StainlessWorks do not offer anything on DSE sub + LSx combination. How about plug wires ? How many headers you have seen take stock wires? ( header wires cost $$$ too )






Similar headers made in stainless cost even more at Lemons.( 2450+220 for V bands= 2670$ )

Did we set a beers as bet ??

I wish there would be cheaper alternative. But so far i have not found any in stainless,1 7/8" and V bands

My point was the price is high for the DSE headers. I used those C6 headers as an example of what other similar products cost ie SS headers. Much of the cost in headers is the complexity of the design. The LG headers are a complex design for their chassis and happen to be a more complex design than the DSE headers yet cost much less. Volume of sales must be factored in as well of course but even then, I still think DSE is high. Stainless Works was just another example of a similar product. If what you need is what DSE has, then you won't have much choice but to pay the price. That still doesn't change the fact that the price is high. Which is my opinion ultimately. In a captialistic economy, nothing is priced too high if someone buys it.

[chicane]

Originally Posted by JamesJ

The hard part is room, Even ATS headers are not really the best example of a TRY-Y here is a set that are used in nascar

I am guessing that is an assumption ??

The ATS headers were designed by Burns from his "X-Design" program... so I am wondering how you have come to the conclusion that they are not a good example for a Try-y ?? Is it because they don't look like the SB2 headers shown in your picture ?? Is everything NASCAR picture perfect and the "example" for all to follow ??

uhm... no.

Mind you that the headers shown in your picture are for an engine that basically lives between seven and nintyfive hundred RPM... THEY themselves, are not the best example / representation of a Try-y header used in OUR application. You can not compare them as apples to apples in this discussion. Because... it is not and they can not be... apples to apples. Also... "Packaging" does not make a header work... or not work for that matter... it's merely how it fits the application/chassis. But... the primary dia, primary length to its merge... to the secondary dia, secondary length to its merge and then to the collector... is what makes a header 'tuned' for the application. Just because you post a picture of an SB2 seader... and possibly think of it as being a good example... doesn't make it relative to any of this. What you have shown is an excellent example of a Try-y design designed for a sustained high RPM application... which I would also bet, that it makes more broad band torque than that of an equal length header for the same application.

Anyway... don't take any of that personal.


The 'cost' will continue to be a debate. But... looking at the DSE header, what do you see ?? I don't know about you all... but I see >>one piece<< mandrel bent tubes, quality flanges and real merge collectors... in stainless no less. The cost alone of the one piece mandrel bent tubes makes me cringe to say the least. Do you really wonder why they cost so much ?? Well... there's the answer to your question. Uhhh... oh yeah, and they fit into the intended application without isue and/or modification.

Have you ever wondered why the ATS headers are priced where they are ?? Do you have any idea on what it costs for Jack to do his "X-design" and then to actually make a production jig... for just that ?? Not to mention... someone brought up the point in cost of the individual 'merge' collectors themselves. The associated cost quoted above was just for the collector merge(s). Just think... the ATS headers have... SIX... merge collectors in a single set. That is one reason why they cost what they do.

Both the ATS and DSE products discussed here are low production... which means they until they hit a certian 'number' produced... they will need to recoup the delvelopment, material and production costs in its initial offering.

$2230 isnt all that bad for what you are paying for. Other than the O2 bung placement... which can be worked around... that is a damn nice set of tubes for $2230 !