When does a 69 Camaro cease to be a 69 camaro??

[Bakaruda]

I would say our cars(no matter what name is on them) are more like the new age streetrods. When people who are not car guys ask me what my car is. I say this, It was a 69 Barracuda. Now it is a streetrod. The only thing 69 on my car is the body.

[DFRESH]

I would say when the 80's snorkel hood scoop makes its appearance.

[phillym5]

I would say........ once the body is altered to the point it is unrecognizable...
But if the grill, head lights, fenders, and rear valance keep there original lines..(even if they are exaggerated) it still is a 69 camaro.

imo.

[mexMan]

As long as the body is made out of steel and it has a cool powerplant it's still a '69. I know why they love to use it, those side lines make it so hot and sexy. But I'm more a 67-68 Camaro guy, that's why I rather see Bad Penny over the Golden Coffin. But I'm more a functionality guy too, that's why rather drive the Golden Coffin over any of the leather seated and sound systems showcars.

Rouge: I'M GOLDEN COFFIN'S #1 FAN!

[nvr2fst]

Originally Posted by mexMan

As long as the body is made out of steel and it has a cool powerplant it's still a '69. I know why they love to use it, those side lines make it so hot and sexy. But I'm more a 67-68 Camaro guy, that's why I rather see Bad Penny over the Golden Coffin. But I'm more a functionality guy too, that's why rather drive the Golden Coffin over any of the leather seated and sound systems showcars.

Rouge: I'M GOLDEN COFFIN'S #1 FAN!

Why does the body in your opinion need to made out of steel. No matter what type of panel structure your using (steel, CF, aluminum, fiberglass) doesnt affect the look of the body lines as to the original OPs question.

[Kendall Burleson]

The car can have any material that make it look better(The 62 vette that the Roaster shop didn't hurt it look at all)

[nvr2fst]

Originally Posted by phillym5

I would say........ once the body is altered to the point it is unrecognizable...
But if the grill, head lights, fenders, and rear valance keep there original lines..(even if they are exaggerated) it still is a 69 camaro.

imo.

X2 although I dont have a problem with exaggerating certain body lines but from a close distance it still needs to look like a camaro. When Razor first came out you needed to really look at what they did (outside of the typical deck lid stuff and hood mods going on today) They widened the quarters, enhanced all the body line creases including adding a couple here and there and the way a car gets painted can also enhance the true camaro lines. Another example would be the G force Cuda, every piece was modified but in the end it still looked like a cuda representing its heritage. Over the next couple of years I feel that this is going to be the next phase of building custom cars. When you start getting into the body modifications that are typically "non removal" you need to take in consideration the cost. It becomes at times overwhelming and if your the guinea pig for that "new got to have it look" mod to go into production like CF fenders, quarters, etc. in the long run the following consumers will get it at a lower cost. The more custom parts parts go into production the more the custom builders need to go out of the box to the point the car IMO may become hideous. Ive been dealing with this on my car since its been at Ironworks from day one. I havent had any bad feedback on the mods yet..... but if there our opinions I would love to hear them.

Ty I returned your PM

[phillym5]

Originally Posted by nvr2fst

X2 although I dont have a problem with exaggerating certain body lines but from a close distance it still needs to look like a camaro. When Razor first came out you needed to really look at what they did (outside of the typical deck lid stuff and hood mods going on today) They widened the quarters, enhanced all the body line creases including adding a couple here and there and the way a car gets painted can also enhance the true camaro lines. Another example would be the G force Cuda, every piece was modified but in the end it still looked like a cuda representing its heritage. Over the next couple of years I feel that this is going to be the next phase of building custom cars. When you start getting into the body modifications that are typically "non removal" you need to take in consideration the cost. It becomes at times overwhelming and if your the guinea pig for that "new got to have it look" mod to go into production like CF fenders, quarters, etc. in the long run the following consumers will get it at a lower cost. The more custom parts parts go into production the more the custom builders need to go out of the box to the point the car IMO may become hideous. Ive been dealing with this on my car since its been at Ironworks from day one. I havent had any bad feedback on the mods yet..... but if there our opinions I would love to hear them.

Ty I returned your PM

I REALLY like the way yours is coming out. I did similar on my car (flaring the fender line).... but took a different route than yours. I CAN NOT WAIT to see yours done!!

[GregWeld]

Ty --

That is such a difficult question to respond to "in writing" -- because the question you're asking is visual... some changes might look great while what seems to be a simple (hood scoop?) change might suck.

The only way you really know before the build is to have one of the guys do a rendering - post that up and see what people think.

I was trying to figure out why you asked the question in the first place - so had to assume that you're toying with body mods on your project... so that's why I said maybe to have a rendering done with what you're thinking.

I agree with an above post - when Motion got hold of something - they went for UGLY in the first degree... I don't care how 'rare' they are... sometimes 'rare' is rare because nobody wanted them then either!

[nvr2fst]

Originally Posted by phillym5

I REALLY like the way yours is coming out. I did similar on my car (flaring the fender line).... but took a different route than yours. I CAN NOT WAIT to see yours done!!

There are certain things I like and there are certain things I dont like, hopefully when it all meshes together Ill be happy.

The stretching of the body lines is going to be a big hit IMO. Although Ive only come across a couple of builds with this starting from the Year one TA. I believe Rodger and Gonzo have something going on here and you knows what other car bodies it follows on. Cost is a major player for most consumers.
Weve been asked before if anybody would be interested in a Production Razor hood. Im not sure if that ever took off mostly because of cost. I feel Anvils costs on the CF parts they have are extremely reasonable. Most likely due to the fact that they know people will buy stock pieces in CF. Not speaking for Anvil, but IMO make a production piece that they feel only 5% of the market may buy would be tuff on profit margin. Trust me Ive asked Matt in the past, it not cheap.
Well all I can say is I see a poll starting on this.