With more PT cars being tracked is it changing PT vendors product offerings?

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by rogue

HP has nothing to do with being fast. You realize this when you're passed by a spec miata or boxster. Its all driver.

A key fact most pro-touring folks forget. Hence many cars being driven by other drivers and not the owners.

In the track community you'll hear stories about stock looking subarus and occasionally oddball cars like mazda speeds showing up to track events and dominating the entire field. Why? not power, its the driver, and the driver knows the car.

Now you see Dane, why I offered to drive you down to RTTC? I was gonna pick your brain on track set up for an hour each way...

[rogue]

Originally Posted by flash911

Now you see Dane, why I offered to drive you down to RTTC? I was gonna pick your brain on track set up for an hour each way...

I have yet to receive a refund, so technically I'm not out yet. Even though I can barely stand up to pee

I may pull a Steve Rupp and bring a ringer to drive my car.

[Stuart Adams]

Of course with all the supension upgrades we have now, more hp can be used to push them upgrades harder and have more fun.

[70rs]

Originally Posted by rogue

HP has nothing to do with being fast. You realize this when you're passed by a spec miata or boxster. Its all driver.

A key fact most pro-touring folks forget. Hence many cars being driven by other drivers and not the owners.

In the track community you'll hear stories about stock looking subarus and occasionally oddball cars like mazda speeds showing up to track events and dominating the entire field. Why? not power, its the driver, and the driver knows the car.

That is kind of what I was getting at Dane. I think we agree? Too much power can be a waste beyond a certain point. Or at the least harder to manage and actually hurt lap times if you're spending time correcting or fighting the power delivery. But then again it all comes back to the driver there too.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by 70rs

That is kind of what I was getting at Dane. I think we agree? Too much power can be a waste beyond a certain point. Or at the least harder to manage and actually hurt lap times if you're spending time correcting or fighting the power delivery. But then again it all comes back to the driver there too.

We definitely agree. Knowing what I know now, I would have built my car in this order:

Nice shell
Full cage or roll hoop depending on your goals
Fire suppression
Proper seats
Every Carbon Fiber weight loss part from Anvil
Everything else fiberglass where possible for weight savings
Proper Brakes
Suspension setup of your choosing
Driving school
Racing school
AutoX events
Track days, LOTS of them

Drivetrain can remain slow while you learn to drive the car. 300hp is fine. You upgrade your drivetrain when you're capable fully utilizing the power.

A properly trained driver in a Mazda Miata will lap most of the cars on these forums. A fact most people will not believe....

That said, a lot of people are not building track toys or race cars, they are building their preference of luxury, comfort, performance in their own car. Most seem to lean towards comfort and luxury.

I believe a lot of the people in this community are trying to build a lexus out of a muscle car. Any time I see mention of mpg or AC I know who I'm talking to.

[Matt@BOS]

Originally Posted by rogue

Speaking of which, any of you interested in skip barber this year? Todd? Once I'm recovered from this surgery I have the itch to go to laguna seca and drive up as well.

What kind of Skip Barber class do you have in mind, there are a ton of options. In any case, I think it would be cool to have a group of pro-touring guys at a driving school, everyone could always learn more, regardless of experience.

And yes, as for what has been said about horsepower, I would have to agree that a lot of the owners out there are building engines with power outputs that far exceed usefulness due to driver skill, or lack there of, and I think it is because everyone wants to be able to compete with cars like Bad Penny or Jackass, which both have very competent drivers capable of handling north of 600 horsepower.

Matt

[Stuart Adams]

Doesn't take very long to want 700 hp after driving 600.

[Ron in SoCal]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

Doesn't take very long to want 700 hp after driving 600.

It's a sickness called 'ten-more-itis'

You wanna go faster? You gotta spend 10 more G's...

[rogue]

Originally Posted by 69MSA

What kind of Skip Barber class do you have in mind, there are a ton of options. In any case, I think it would be cool to have a group of pro-touring guys at a driving school, everyone could always learn more, regardless of experience.

And yes, as for what has been said about horsepower, I would have to agree that a lot of the owners out there are building engines with power outputs that far exceed usefulness due to driver skill, or lack there of, and I think it is because everyone wants to be able to compete with cars like Bad Penny or Jackass, which both have very competent drivers capable of handling north of 600 horsepower.

Matt

Bad Penny has the best mod out there, a driver with a lot of experience

/pokes steve

[70rs]

Originally Posted by rogue

Drivetrain can remain slow while you learn to drive the car. 300hp is fine. You upgrade your drivetrain when you're capable fully utilizing the power.


Any time I see mention of mpg or AC I know who I'm talking to.

I agree with your comment on power. And the Miata driver too.
BUT......I want AC and decent MPG!