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Greg, that makes me wonder why he didn't pull up and say ''screw it .....it aint worth trying to land this thing in the given situation''! Of course I have no idea what really happened....just hear-say at the moment. But if he was coming in a little hot or if there was clearly not enough room to land....I know I sure as hell wouldn't force it!! I guess we will all find out once the investigation is finished.
Good to hear all survived!
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That is exactly how it applied to aviation.
I've been an airline pilot for over 17 years, and that last thing you ever do is stop flying the airplane reguardless of what any ATC guys tells you to do.
I have seen this through out my whole career...rich guy buys an airplane beyond his skills and thinks he can go fly it every now and then and be safe.
Guys at his level don't like to be told they suck at flying airplanes and they think they can handle anything just cause they can afford it. More often than people know, the result is death...he is one Extremely Lucky SOB!
I hope he is O.K., but he hopefully has learned a huge lesson.
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A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.
"Never approach anything faster than you are willing to hit it...."
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A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.
"Never approach anything faster than you are willing to hit it...."

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+1!
That's twice for old Jack. Maybe time to hire a pilot this go 'round?
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guys, flying is tough. things happen.
my grandfather was a f-86a pilot in the 50's/60's. then went on to fly for northeast and delta for 35 years(flying 757/767's as he retired). He has crashed small planes twice, both during his career as a professional pilot. Things happen. Hes almost 80 and still amazing to fly with, whether its on floats or land, i have no problem flying with him.
jack is a good pilot, with a few accidents, how do we know he didnt do a good job of handling the situation?
back in the 60's he would come and do fly bys of there camp on long lake in maine, my dad said it was amazing at about 50 ft off the water 200-300 mph
i live in the mountains and we are in a low fly zone for the air guard and its awesome seeing f-16s at 1000 ft let alone 50
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guys, flying is tough. things happen.
my grandfather was a f-86a pilot in the 50's/60's. then went on to fly for northeast and delta for 35 years(flying 757/767's as he retired). He has crashed small planes twice, both during his career as a professional pilot. Things happen. Hes almost 80 and still amazing to fly with, whether its on floats or land, i have no problem flying with him.
jack is a good pilot, with a few accidents, how do we know he didnt do a good job of handling the situation?
back in the 60's he would come and do fly bys of there camp on long lake in maine, my dad said it was amazing at about 50 ft off the water 200-300 mph
i live in the mountains and we are in a low fly zone for the air guard and its awesome seeing f-16s at 1000 ft
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Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!
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This is always a conversation we have when boating --- you must be the captain of your vessel at all times - REGARDLESS of what the right of way states etc... because you can be right - but be dead right. If I'm in the locks and the lock master is telling me to do something I don't want to do I ignore him and do what's right for the boat. I'm running my boat - period. 25 tons and no brakes... and limited maneuverability even with twins... but it's my job and the safety of all falls on MY shoulders.
Not sure how that relates to flying - since he may or may not be made aware of who's in front of him - or the spacing etc... I'm just saying that if something isn't right - or you don't feel it's right - then you have to do whatever you have to do to stay safe.
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relationship is exactly the same. the issue was he was too slow for whatever reason causing him to stall which lead to the accident
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A rule I always tell people when they ask about boating etc.
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 I love it!
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Most pilots that crash planes, not once, but twice, aren't considered good pilots...they are usually considered DOA. Just sayin!
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That is not true. Too many variables or circumstances. So I am guessing if you wrecked your car twice your a bad driver as well?
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I'm happy he is ok.
Hey when your dropping like a rock and can control to a degree that you walk away...that is a great pilot.
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