DETROIT long but worth the read if you care.

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by realcoray

Seems pretty racist to me. No one would suggest that Detroit doesn't have issues but this junk seems to suggest that it's all to blame on the blacks and muslims, oh don't forget the mexicans!

Maybe it's because GM, Ford and Chrylser sucked so hardcore for so long that their own destruction destroyed the city they called home, and people who happen to struggle to get by moved in to live in the wreckage.

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been so bad, why have they all sold so many cars?

And while I would agree that Detroit's problems cannot be blamed on a single factor, the fact that gang members are predominately Black and Hispanic must mean something.


(source: http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov)

My guess is that the problem is assimilation. A large non-American culture has arisen within these communities, and it is destroying cities. Add tot hat mix immigrants who also refuse to assimilate, and the cities become even worse.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[realcoray]

Originally Posted by ProTouring442

If GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been so bad, why have they all sold so many cars?

And while I would agree that Detroit's problems cannot be blamed on a single factor, the fact that gang members are predominately Black and Hispanic must mean something.


(source: http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov)

My guess is that the problem is assimilation. A large non-American culture has arisen within these communities, and it is destroying cities. Add tot hat mix immigrants who also refuse to assimilate, and the cities become even worse.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

The issue is if you correlate race with something, you neglect to understand what may really be happening.

Blacks and Hispanics are like 3x more likely to be below the poverty line, and the graph comparing all races in regards to poverty would be very similar to the gang or crime one.

I agree that assimilation is critical but people expect it to be instant which isn't reasonable. If you had to move to Italy for your job, do you think you could completely assimilate in the same time frame you expect others? Or, is it more likely that if you have children there, they will assimilate?

The same sort of knee jerk reactions to large groups of so called foreigners has happened over and over again in American history. Those dirty drunk irish, I hate them! Those italians with their ferraris and olive oil, they refuse to learn the language! They are all destroying our America!

Detroit was destroyed by the big 3, in the same way that numerous towns who relied on a single industry have experienced the downside of said industry leaving or dying. It's just the biggest city that's all.

[Shmoov69]

Surely you are not saying that it was destroyed by the big three alone?? But rather all the issues that came with the big three?? Unions, greed, lazieness, wealth, entitlement, out of touch management etc...

[ProTouring442]

Originally Posted by realcoray

The issue is if you correlate race with something, you neglect to understand what may really be happening.

Blacks and Hispanics are like 3x more likely to be below the poverty line, and the graph comparing all races in regards to poverty would be very similar to the gang or crime one.

I agree that assimilation is critical but people expect it to be instant which isn't reasonable. If you had to move to Italy for your job, do you think you could completely assimilate in the same time frame you expect others? Or, is it more likely that if you have children there, they will assimilate?

The same sort of knee jerk reactions to large groups of so called foreigners has happened over and over again in American history. Those dirty drunk irish, I hate them! Those italians with their ferraris and olive oil, they refuse to learn the language! They are all destroying our America!

Detroit was destroyed by the big 3, in the same way that numerous towns who relied on a single industry have experienced the downside of said industry leaving or dying. It's just the biggest city that's all.

You are most certainly correct, correlation does not mean causation. However, it would be just as foolish to say that certain segments of the population, as defined by race, do not have a problem within their ranks. As for assimilation, I would agree if it were not for the fact that some ethnicities display the same assimilation difficulties despite the fact that they are not, on average, first generation Americans. Instead certain ethnicities have, for one reason or another, developed a culture that is significantly different in both its outlook and its morality from that of what might be called a "mainstream" US culture. It is a shame that certain people defining themselves as so-called "leaders" of these extra-mainstream cultures, instead of working against the negative values and actions displayed therein, actually work to reinforce the negative actions and values in order to perpetuate their own power position.

"No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that because he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless of his own merits or efforts." -Booker T. Washington

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[Shmoov69]

Very good writing Bill!! You did very good keeping it "PC", much better than I could have! LOL!

On the other note..
I'm too black and white (not race) with not much gray. Facts are facts and I STILL believe stereotypes ARE usually brought on by the people being stereotyped. There are without question exceptions, but stereotypes are there because of a history of a certian thing. Good or bad.
What stereotype do you fill the blank in with?
Trailer trash?
7-11 clerks?
Cab drivers?
Pro football players?
Pro football QB's?
Pro hockey players?
Gang members?
NASCAR drivers?
Rednecks?
Blonde girls?
Cowboys?
Terrorists?
Olympic long distance runners?
Phone "tech support"?
Cheap labor?
Cheap goods?
Politicians?
Skinheads?
Televangelists?
Construction workers?
They ALL have a stereotype, some good, some bad and some just because. You get an image of a "stereotype" for everyone of those. That is because a good portion of those examples are a certian way.
Now, hopefully this isn't taken in a bad way and just discussion!

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by Shmoov69

but stereotypes are there because of a history of a certian thing. Good or bad.

The Aussies are pros at sterotyping in a quite hilarious way...........IMO

PS - You left out cracker.

[marks914]

As a lifer here in the D, I have lived here 40 years as of next week. While the metro area is quite nice with its lakes, parks and big houses, the city does suffer. Many things are to blame, things were on a slope long before the 67 race riots, which I have not heard mentioned, maybe I missed it.
Right now there is not a major department or grocery store in the city, and no jobs. Comerica is pulling out to go to Tennessee, and Im sure more will follow.
The big problems are education and jobs. Yes, there is a 75% drop out rate in DPS. There are not any jobs either. The next savior was supposed to be the movie industry, but the city keeps blowing that too.
Not sure what else there is to do, now they are talking about moving everyone, yes everyone to a more central location and "homesteading" the rest of the city.
While I live and work in town, I hope something happens to get things on the right track. Even Dennis Archer gave up, probably the best mayor in a long time. Its not so much about corruption, look at Chicago, the government is totally corrupt, but look, everything works and gets done.
Thats all I've got
Mark
One great thing for me, is we can get anything made in town, injection mold tools, glass, metal stampings, that part is great!
Yes our instruments are made in Detroit.

[68KMARO]

2008 GOVT CHANGED? Not so the people in power represent big business only.
90% of the wealth of the USA is controlled by 10% of the people. Why should senators get their salary for life? And when the senator dies the spouse gets their pension, that is ridiculous. It all starts at the top democrat, republican, congress and senate. tea party is all about rhetoric, name calling, mud slinging, etc, no substance. No senator or congressman has backed up a promise except to big business. lobbiests are one of the many problems.We need concrete solutions not talk. Where to begin. If you are bleeding from a deep wound, what do the doctors do, they close the wound, stitch it up tight. This is what i would do to our border with mexico. We could put alot of people back to work constucting this wall. This is step one.

rich