What do you do when your product is knocked off?

[96z28ss]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

Put yourself in RB situation. You go thru the design, engineering , production, etc. Which takes alot of work, time and money. Then you hopefully are lucky enough for it to be likeable and purchaseable. Then you take the expensive plunge to make some for sell. Now you must make enough to pay for some of the costs to bring it to market.

Then someone copies your piece bypassing the events in the first paragraph. That would make anybody upset, right. No matter what the product is, in any arena.

Competition is one thing, making a better product is great, but copying really goes across the line IMO.

I guess very few people here understand that this happens every day in a lot of everyday products that we buy and don't realize it.

I'm a product design engineer. I know what it feels like to have a product re-designed and produced. This situation as I see it is a bit different.

1. RB was very innovative and came out with a billet hinge to market. First one to do this.

2. Fesler made a billet hinge after RB, but re-engineered, the base, the arms, and the shock position, allows hood to open more. Takes less material to make and easier to mass produce. At this point it's not considered a knock-off in any respect.

3. RB copied the Fesler design and changed their current design. Considered a knock off.

4. Fesler comes out with a similar air-frame design. Considered a knock-off.

5. RB upset and makes it public.

This is a "pot calling the kettle black" situation.

Buy whatever product you want. If Quality is important buy the one that offers that. If price is more important buy that one. Don't buy based on which company you think has better morals and integrity cause both companies have done it to each other.

[XLexusTech]

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams

Put yourself in RB situation. You go thru the design, engineering , production, etc. Which takes alot of work, time and money. Then you hopefully are lucky enough for it to be likeable and purchaseable. Then you take the expensive plunge to make some for sell. Now you must make enough to pay for some of the costs to bring it to market.

Then someone copies your piece bypassing the events in the first paragraph. That would make anybody upset, right. No matter what the product is, in any arena.

Competition is one thing, making a better product is great, but copying really goes across the line IMO.

Yes exactly !

For those who don't see the value of this thread, if the value is just steering potential buyers to the design originators. Hopefully that will help them recoup some of their R&D costs and continue to create new products.
Franky if you thinks its OK to allow every Joe blow in the world to scan in a product and spit out a clone then change a few minor details for "improvements". You don't get the problem and you never will.

I better Triple sow cow off the soap box i got work to do

Hopefully when I am done somebody wont steal my hard work and sell it cheaper.

[70rs]

It just keeps going and going and going..........

This has gotten beyond stupid.

Too many opinions, not everyone is going to agree with one side or the other.

The only thing I see this thread doing at this point is making this site look like a b!*¢@ fest and vendor bash.

Buy parts where you want. Its a free market.

Just like the rest of this thread, this post is going to accomplish nothing.

Can the mods lock this thing....please?

[kennyd]

i hear Wal-Mart is going to be selling hood hinges ... All you are going to be out of business !!!

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by 96z28ss

I guess very few people here understand that this happens every day in a lot of everyday products that we buy and don't realize it.

I'm a product design engineer. I know what it feels like to have a product re-designed and produced. This situation as I see it is a bit different.

1. RB was very innovative and came out with a billet hinge to market. First one to do this.

2. Fesler made a billet hinge after RB, but re-engineered, the base, the arms, and the shock position, allows hood to open more. Takes less material to make and easier to mass produce. At this point it's not considered a knock-off in any respect.

3. RB copied the Fesler design and changed their current design. Considered a knock off.

4. Fesler comes out with a similar air-frame design. Considered a knock-off.

5. RB upset and makes it public.

This is a "pot calling the kettle black" situation.

Buy whatever product you want. If Quality is important buy the one that offers that. If price is more important buy that one. Don't buy based on which company you think has better morals and integrity cause both companies have done it to each other.

I ponied up on my previous Camaro for the RB hinges, and while very nice, was disappointed in the lack of open hood clearance, but I still have an impartial view of this (some posting do not) and it is very clear to me by reading this thread that Bob (96z28ss) is the only one, or one of few, who has done solid direct research and presented his argument clearly. Everyone else is speaking with little to no no authority, expertise, or even basic knowledge of the subject matter and just supporting who they "like". And that clutters this all up.

And this absolutely should be handled behind doors or in the private IMO. Oh well.

[2Bad4Ya]

Interesting...

So not to toss any salt on wounds can anyone tell me what is wrong with eddie motorsport hinges, I mean they are a cpl bills cheaper priced... did they knock off designs? I notice their pistons are mounted differently than the other co's.

People buy knock off's cause they are trying to spread the cash as far as they can so if they can save a cpl dollars on item X then can put that toward item A, etc... the avg. consumer could give a hill a beans about R&D and look at it as the cost of doing business.

You can guaranty more than a few people who are strong RB supporters have looked the Fesler version over and one of the key things they reviewed is the price tag.

Not trying to piss anyone off just putting the avg. joe on a budget opinion out there. I looked at all of the various billet hinges when making my shopping list and did the q&a research with people who have them all and not once was I concerned about who copied who. I was interested in quality of the piece, did it function as desired, and how was the customer service, and cost.

[Bow Tie 67]

Originally Posted by 70rs

It just keeps going and going and going..........

This has gotten beyond stupid.

Too many opinions, not everyone is going to agree with one side or the other.

The only thing I see this thread doing at this point is making this site look like a b!*¢@ fest and vendor bash.

Buy parts where you want. Its a free market.

Just like the rest of this thread, this post is going to accomplish nothing.

Can the mods lock this thing....please?

I agree, I think it should not be locked but completely deleted, then again thats just my opinion and we all know what those are like.

[70rs]

Originally Posted by Bow Tie 67

I agree, I think it should not be locked but completely deleted, then again thats just my opinion and we all know what those are like.

I agree, deleted is better. To have this thread continue does nothing good for this site, the vendors or anyone else.

[ironworks]

I think all the bashing on this site is ruining this place. I understand people get screwed and other people sell junk. But that has happened for years and will always happen. Just like in print you cannot trust what someone says on the internet fully. At the end of the day there is 3 sides to every story and we will never ever know the truth.


As soon as you let one person bash then everyone thinks their story has a right.

[westoz]

Dead and buried maybe??