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Old 11-06-2011, 06:02 PM
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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Great event. Had fun hanging out and watching it go down. Their was a variety of cars to see which was cool. Congrats to all who raced, its not easy and not cheap by any stretch.

My only concern is the sponsors that put their whole life into this community. I'm just worried that when half the cars are not cars from the hobby, they take a hit. When you can buy a stock ZR1 and crush a well sorted out, sponsor parts car, that takes a hit to the community IMO.

I realize this is only one race, just trying to not see the people making a living in this stuff get hurt by having half the cars that qualified not supporting the vendors or community.

I think the crew from optima and all the volunteers did an awesome job. Thanks for putting it on, looking forward to next year.
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:36 PM
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This was a great event and everyone's point here is valid, to me at least. I do have a few random observations:

- First off, Danny Popp is one hellofa driver and his car is his perfect match. When he put the throttle down, the car planted and it took off. No major squat, no huge time killing burn out, just all go. On the AutoX - especially the last few turns where the most cones and a spin went down - he just rotated the car where it needed to go. On the road course, it took the real race car (a Spring Mountain 1:40 lapper) more than one and half laps to catch him. Just an observation, but I found it ironic seeing him parked at the DSE pit with the rest of their crew + Finch and Stielow. From a driver/car combo he belonged there although I'm not sure there was one DSE part on his car? Enough said on that...

- On the road course, all the usual suspect PT cars hung it all out. The bus stop on turn 9 upset quite a few cars, although Stielow ran it quite well. On turn one I noticed Kyle Tucker wobble (not slide) quite a bit as he pushed his car as fast as that thing would go! It was awesome.

- The LPE 5th Gen Camaro sounded absolutely awesome. Lumpy and full of compression. I'd love to know what was in that engine!

- The smell of race gas was in the air. I loved it and felt like mis-quoting Apocalypse Now.

- It would've been nice to hear lap times for the last few road course competitors. There was no timer board, so it was up to Matt MSA69 to use his iPhone and he did pretty good! But seriously, what's the big secret? The spread was 1:42 - 1:5x for the top drivers.

- Mr Hobaugh and Mr Maier killed it on the AutoX. They started ahead of Mary and Stielow and Popp and I thought there was no way they'd be beat. Just shows how fast Popp and Mary are in that venue.

Back to the classes discussion...I could care less which way they go, but I'm not sure our cars would ever kill modern technology and the vehicle examples given above, which does prove Todd's point about how good Mark really is. Another point made ahead of me is the sponsor issue. Really, is DSE, RideTech, Raybestos, there for the Corvette crowd? Wilwood and Optima have a small piece of that market for sure.

Looking at Optima, it's the All Star event of our hobby (not including the cars that get automatic invites for various reasons). These cars get faster every year and more race-car-like. Listening to Vinnie (great guy BTW!) and Mike Maier put their cars into first gear made me smile. Try driving those cars on the street! Also, this event has the same issues Bill Howell is dealing with as the RTTx events mature. Put a clock on an event with fast cars and people will find a way to win. No matter what. My point here is treadwear and tech inspections were the only constraints when this event was born. What'd y'all think was gonna happen?
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:21 PM
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Great event, Danny Popp deserved the win. Absolutely the class of the field performance-wise. However, if they don't add some rules to determine "street cars" or split them into different classes, then the only way to win this event is get a late model car with full mods and great driver. Our older cars even with a great driver and whatever power level you want cannot compete with them, that's just a fact of life.

It's up to Optima to determine which way this event goes. No matter what, it's a great event and they deserve a ton of credit for putting it on. What they decide to do will determine what cars are competitive in the future. This is totally their decision, and it's their right to do with it as they wish.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:17 PM
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I agree with lots of what's been said, but regardless that popp won its amazing that a fully decked out c6 with a super skilled driver won by a tie break of 2 second on a road course time againts a 69 camaro!

And hellz yes greg that fleetline was so cool! I loved the gator!!
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whoa jeez! I make a little comment, step away from the internet for a few days and the flood gates come out!


You guys do make some interesting points about the competition involved and what the sponsors really want to get out of the event. I have to say that I wasn't there so my following statement can be read as such.

I just worry that through the evolution of this event, we'll find ourselves with a pack of Ultima GTR's and Ariel Atoms running around because that's what it takes to win. Don't get me wrong, they are great cars and takes great skill to drive them well. I just hope that whatever it becomes in the future that its something we all can enjoy.

Through time I just hope it doesn't become a group of purpose built race cars that the usual race teams show up to compete. To me the appeal of the event was that it was something someone like me (read: complete novice) could put together a car, run it hard and maybe get some fun out of it. I'm not saying that it's there yet, I would just hate the event to run it's natural course and become unattainable to the middle of the road or even the higher end of the builds around.

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Old 11-07-2011, 09:28 AM
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While touring the Optima area at SEMA, my first impression of quite a few of the cars was..."this is a full race car with a license plate...this is no Street car".....

When there is a growing event like this and competition, people will push the envelope...so probably some time for some more rules to get it back in line with the "Optima Ultimate STREET Car" theme......

The bottomline is the event is supposed to be a fun event where people can thrash the cars they build....its not about the actual competition and who wins.....but everyone wants to win
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Great car, great driver, and really nice guy! I've had the pleasure of walking an autox track with Danny as he explains the line he is gonna run. WOW! The man has a wealth of racing knowledge, and he'll share it with anyone that wants to learn. Congratulations Danny for adding your name to an very exclusive list.
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This event was a lot of fun and I was fortunate to be able to participate this year. Danny Popp is an incredible driver in a well sorted 2006 Corvette Z06. That car and his driving skill is what I am trying to have with my Camaro.

A lot of what is being said on this thread has to do with my car and others like it. This event is run by its team that has a vision of what they want. My car went through their approval process and was accepted to compete. During the week of SEMA, I had countless people come to me and say how they would love to have my car or something like it. The idea of having a competitive car on the track that was also capable of driving on the street was just awesome.

I posted many photos of my car and told the story of my build on this forum for a reason. I also named the thread “1973 Autocross / Street Car” for a reason. This thread has over 175,000 hits. I showed just about everything I have done to the car with nothing held back accept for some dimensions of suspension parts. My car was built to be the fastest autocross car I could build AND be able to drive it on the street and enjoy it legally. I also wanted to be able to go to an open track day here and there and be safe. The cage is for handling and safety. Being able to walk away from a serious crash at track speed is more important to me that anything. I worry for many on this forum and others that, WHEN not IF, one of us has a problem and crashes their “Pro-Touring” car, they are not seriously hurt. The idea of driving hard on a race track without a safe cage scares me.

There was a wide range of cars and drivers out there. This event is many things to many people. Any time you put a start and stop with a clock, the most competitive of us will do what it takes to go fast within the rules.

I did not have an unlimited budget, like most. Compromises must be made. Since I wanted my car to be fast and safe, some comfort features were left out. A/C and leather seats are nice, but do not make the car go faster. I drive a Lexus every day for comfort. I do have all the factory lights (headlamps, turn lamps, brake lamps, back up lamps, and dome light). I also have a horn, windshield wipers, FAN AND HEATER. The only thing I don’t have is side windows. When I was building the doors I was going to install electric motored windows but ran out of time and money. It was not important to me as I live in California and the weather is usually pretty nice. You also have to have your windows down on the track.

There have been a handful of cars in the past OUSCI that did not have any interior panels, door glass, heaters, wipers, and others. This year is not new. Also, there have been a few roadsters that have competed that don’t have a roof. At least I have a roof. This year’ award wining incredible 1959 Corvette that was in the Wilwood display does not have door glass or a roof. If that car was invited and accepted, would that be against the rules some of you have proposed? How would that do in the rain? What about last years beautiful and awesome black 1962 Corvette built by the Roadster Shop. No roof.

When the weather turned ugly on Friday, I was happy to see it. For a while, I have heard rumblings about my car and how it is not a “Street Car”. I was one of the 38 of 55 cars that completed the Road Rally. I drove all over Las Vegas getting the necessary items with Mike Maier in his 1966 Mustang. We ended up taking the long way to Pahrump per the recommendation of Jimi Day at the drivers meeting. We drove over 100 miles Friday night in the rain and it got down to 38 degrees. Even with no door windows, I did not get wet and I did not freeze to death. Sure, it was cold and a bit much for my heater to keep me toasty, but I was fine with a jacket.

Had dinner at In n Out Friday night on the Rally



Met this French couple that just got Married. They thought it was great taking their photo with my car and the best man and aligator?




I also have a Detroit Locker in the rear end of my car. While performing a U turn, it bangs a lot when it is warm. I compromised some noise for performance and durability. I also have a G Force transmission. No clutch necessary on shifts. It can be a bit loud on shifts, but again, a compromise for performance and durability over comfort.

This event is also to showcase SEMA. My car has over 40 aftermarket manufactures represented.

Greg Weld made some excellent points about this topic. I really appreciate all of his thoughts. I agree with him on the subject of driving skill level also. If you put all the competitors in the same car, the results would not change much. Driving has more to do with this event than anything. Put the top drivers in another car and they will beat the owner of that car just about every time.

The Optima Ultimate Street Car Invitational is a great event for all of us. It shows that cars are meant to be driven. After that, interpretation of what cars should be there are all over the map. Enjoy the event and all that comes with it. This is part race and look at what racing around the world has done for all cars. It pushes us to build better parts and cars and I hope it never stops.
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