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Old 02-07-2012, 10:18 AM
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im thinking of dropping 10 in annaly. bought some other stocks the other day.

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the dividend stream alone on annaly can really add up!!
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:25 AM
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I look at my 401k and see what little its doing and think i could just do my own mutual fund like greg said and come out the same or even better. Its really got me thinking about my money instead of my car to a certain extent. scarry!!
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:33 AM
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I look at my 401k and see what little its doing and think i could just do my own mutual fund like greg said and come out the same or even better. Its really got me thinking about my money instead of my car to a certain extent. scarry!!
THE MONEY PAYS FOR YOUR CAR!

You'll feel better about putting money into your toys -- when you have REAL MONEY being earned and saved (not home equity rising - that don't count).

Just be mindful of INTEREST RATES when you're investing in Annaly (NLY) or HYG or JNK.... because these invest in interest rate sensitive product... and as interest rates RISE you'll take a hit in the capital side...

I use these to PARK money and get a great return -- so think about it this way -- you can have money in a money market account and make .025% --- or you can park money in JNK - HYG - NLY and make 7 to 12%... but you have to be ready to move. They are not "park it and forget it" names.

Since the FED has said it's leaving rates LOW.... we're looking good here - but be ready if the FED SIGNALS it's changing it's mood! Then you SELL these names quick!

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Right now all really have is a high yield checking account and a 401k through work.

My checking account makes 3.54% daily for the first 20K. Over 20K the interest is incurred at .75%. This is were the bulk of my money is setting.

Im not really sure what all my Edward Jones account has in it. I am going to try to get a better hold on this account to see how it is doing, and what funds it is in (I think it is AmeriFunds).

This thread has really got me thinking about were my money is at and if it would betterin other places.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:32 AM
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So much activity and questions..

I am loving it..

Yes, the Investments now will pay for your toys later..

We are at a crazy time in History.. The last few years, and the next few years.. Incredible opportunities.. Take them..

We sure will have big bumps in the road(Market), but in the long Run, those that are in the game now with multiple "employees", will reap the benefits later, and the dividends along the way.

Can I vote that Big Ben speaks every week...Because when he does....
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:57 AM
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OK youngsters don't let us down. Pay close attention to the fundamentals and take the ball and run wisely!

Oh how I wish this opportunity would have been put in front of me in this manner 25 years ago. I'd be focused on track day schedules for this season with Mr. Weld vs. real work.
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Personally, I think the only real advantage to a 401k anymore is if the company matches any portion of your contribution. You should of course put enough in every month so you get the maximum match the company is offering. Beyond that, I believe a Roth IRA is a much better choice for people with a long way to retirement. Now, if you have or make enough that you can max out your Roth every year and have some left over, then put the left over amount into the 401k.

Most 401k's have very limited investment options and most of those usually suck. A Roth that you open at a discount brokerage gives you the option to invest in just about anything you want. Also, if you want to take a small portion and gamble or trade with it a little bit any gain you realize is not a taxable event when it's done inside a Roth. It's not even taxed when you withdraw it, you pay the transaction fee for the trade and that's it.

If you have some money in a 401k account in a plan from an employer THAT YOU NO LONGER WORK FOR, you can convert that into a Roth IRA provided you can pay the income tax on the money (at your current tax rate) with money outside the plan. This is because the 401k contributions are pre-tax and the Roth IRA contributions are post-tax. You can't use money from inside the plan to pay the income tax either, you have to pay it with "outside" money and the whole thing goes on your tax return for the year in which you make the conversion. The money does not go through you personally or you'll pay the early 401k withdrawl penalty. What you have to do is a trustee to trustee transfer where the money goes from the old 401k plan directly to an already setup Roth IRA plan. If you don't have a Roth yet setup yet you should anyway and it should be established before you initiate the conversion.

There is some math involved to see if the conversion is worthwhile but I believe for just about anyone probably 45 or younger it makes sense to do it provided you can pay the income tax on the balance from the 401k without suffering a financial hardship. The 401k pre-tax contribution premise is based on the assumption that you will be in a lower tax bracket at retirement age but I bet if you are following an investing 102 philosophy there's a good chance you'll be in a higher bracket in which case the Roth is a much better plan because all withdrawls from it are tax free.

I'm not sure I'm aware of all the current rules so you should investigate the details further if this interests you. I just wanted to contribute a little to the overall thought process here. Any corrections or add-ons are of course welcome.
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THE MONEY PAYS FOR YOUR CAR!

You'll feel better about putting money into your toys -- when you have REAL MONEY being earned and saved (not home equity rising - that don't count).

Just be mindful of INTEREST RATES when you're investing in Annaly (NLY) or HYG or JNK.... because these invest in interest rate sensitive product... and as interest rates RISE you'll take a hit in the capital side...

I use these to PARK money and get a great return -- so think about it this way -- you can have money in a money market account and make .025% --- or you can park money in JNK - HYG - NLY and make 7 to 12%... but you have to be ready to move. They are not "park it and forget it" names.

Since the FED has said it's leaving rates LOW.... we're looking good here - but be ready if the FED SIGNALS it's changing it's mood! Then you SELL these names quick!
One good thing about this thread is that it has legs. I don't think it will just end, because its something like cars that we all have in common. Its just another part of the car hobby(funding it to a lesser degree sorta). It might even pass vegas69 build thread one of these days! I know I check it daily. thanks for getting it going and keeping it going.

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One good thing about this thread is that it has legs. I don't think it will just end, because its something like cars that we all have in common. Its just another part of the car hobby(funding it to a lesser degree sorta). It might even pass vegas69 build thread one of these days! I know I check it daily. thanks for getting it going and keeping it going.

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Mike --

I have various buckets of money - old money - new money - stocks - bonds - real estate etc. I like to keep 'em separate so I can track what they're doing. Recent "new money" (an asset that converted to cash) was just gravy for me (thank you thank you thank you... better lucky than smart!!).... and was stuck into several different accounts. One of those was UP $35 grand today and the market wasn't up much.... so buying that $275 replacement module for my trucks Banks Power system was no biggie (in my mind). It's like a total "ho hum"....

This is where ya want to be... making money in your sleep so parts are no biggie.
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You mentioned having to be able to move these stocks (NLY JNK HYG) fast if there was a change with the interst rates. Would you park these in a specific account due to the possible tax hit you might take if you can't hold them for the long term?

I posted what I have in my Rollover IRA, I also have a brokerage account with Schwab and a Roth IRA. When selecting stocks should you watch where you park them for tax purposes?
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