Why are people throwing a minitub and tires and calling it a pro touring?

[NOPANTS68]

Conversely, there are lots of cars coming out that are more "pro" than "touring", but still using that nameplate. Tube chassis cars wrapped in carbon fiber running 4 digit power is anything but pro touring IMO.

[Blake Foster]

Originally Posted by NOPANTS68

Conversely, there are lots of cars coming out that are more "pro" than "touring", but still using that nameplate. Tube chassis cars wrapped in carbon fiber running 4 digit power is anything but pro touring IMO.

it is NO different that what happened to "PRO STREET" I was at the drags on saturday and a car in "PRO STREET" ran a 6.39 @ 225.
Really??
I know it is just a Class but that is as fast as some "PRO MODS"ran 4 years ago.
You will see it happen here too, the American Street Car Series will need to split up the cars as more "Race" cars show up, no disrespect to race cars I happen to Prefer them. But it makes it hard to keep the field level, most guys do not have the money, time or knoweledge to run a Racecar but the few who do will push it to and beyond the current limit and everyone will whine and the promoters will have to make different classes otherwise the lowbuck guy, who actually pays the events bills will stop showing up.

so where DO you draw the line ... at both ends? good question? I don't have a good answer.

[JeffT]

Nothing says pro-touring like a set of weld on ladder bars!!! Guy had a drag car, put some 18's on it and now it's pro-touring...

[daemon2]

Pro Touring:
1. must have a name
2. doesn't rattle
3. no matching numbers
4. has to compete
5.

anyone....

[lutzy]

Originally Posted by daemon2

Pro Touring:
1. must have a name
2. doesn't rattle
3. no matching numbers
4. has to compete
5.

anyone....

5. Cost almost as much as a house?

[bret]

Originally Posted by killer69

it is NO different that what happened to "PRO STREET" I was at the drags on saturday and a car in "PRO STREET" ran a 6.39 @ 225.
Really??
I know it is just a Class but that is as fast as some "PRO MODS"ran 4 years ago.
You will see it happen here too, the American Street Car Series will need to split up the cars as more "Race" cars show up, no disrespect to race cars I happen to Prefer them. But it makes it hard to keep the field level, most guys do not have the money, time or knoweledge to run a Racecar but the few who do will push it to and beyond the current limit and everyone will whine and the promoters will have to make different classes otherwise the lowbuck guy, who actually pays the events bills will stop showing up.

so where DO you draw the line ... at both ends? good question? I don't have a good answer.

I see the inevitability of this as well. How do you fight it? Well, maybe by redefining "success".

Being the contrarian that I am, I am now piddling with a 72 Chevelle that I will be making small, inexpensive changes to make it drive more like my new CTSV. Its a 350/350 A/C car...every GM dealer had anywhere from 15-50 on their lot at any one time in '72.
It runs like a top so I won't even open the hood. The handling, seats, and steering wheel suck the worst so a set of 5 series BMW seats from the swap meet, a set of our new stand alone shocks [retaining the oem springs and control arms], our taller RideTech spindles [to lower the car and improve the camber curve, better swaybars, Delrin bushings for the oem control arms, and a Momo steering wheel [because I love the way they feel] is the primary game plan. No plans to change the 15" rallye wheels [although I'll have to hunt for some decent tires soon] or the factory disc brakes. No, it will likely not keep up with my 66 Chevelle on the track, but at 70mph on the highway it will drive like a dream! Lets face it...most of us spend a whole lot more time there than on the track anyhow. I really think I can accomplish all this for well under $2,000, plus my installation time. We'll see...I'll document the time and the cost.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by bret

I see the inevitability of this as well. How do you fight it? Well, maybe by redefining "success".

Being the contrarian that I am, I am now piddling with a 72 Chevelle that I will be making small, inexpensive changes to make it drive more like my new CTSV. Its a 350/350 A/C car...every GM dealer had anywhere from 15-50 on their lot at any one time in '72.
It runs like a top so I won't even open the hood. The handling, seats, and steering wheel suck the worst so a set of 5 series BMW seats from the swap meet, a set of our new stand alone shocks [retaining the oem springs and control arms], our taller RideTech spindles [to lower the car and improve the camber curve, better swaybars, Delrin bushings for the oem control arms, and a Momo steering wheel [because I love the way they feel] is the primary game plan. No plans to change the 15" rallye wheels [although I'll have to hunt for some decent tires soon] or the factory disc brakes. No, it will likely not keep up with my 66 Chevelle on the track, but at 70mph on the highway it will drive like a dream! Lets face it...most of us spend a whole lot more time there than on the track anyhow. I really think I can accomplish all this for well under $2,000, plus my installation time. We'll see...I'll document the time and the cost.

What a great plan Bret! And you're right on. Most of the time is spent doing 65 MPH or less...

[Track Junky]

Originally Posted by killer69

it is NO different that what happened to "PRO STREET" I was at the drags on saturday and a car in "PRO STREET" ran a 6.39 @ 225.
Really??
I know it is just a Class but that is as fast as some "PRO MODS"ran 4 years ago.
You will see it happen here too, the American Street Car Series will need to split up the cars as more "Race" cars show up, no disrespect to race cars I happen to Prefer them. But it makes it hard to keep the field level, most guys do not have the money, time or knoweledge to run a Racecar but the few who do will push it to and beyond the current limit and everyone will whine and the promoters will have to make different classes otherwise the lowbuck guy, who actually pays the events bills will stop showing up.

so where DO you draw the line ... at both ends? good question? I don't have a good answer.

The simple answer would be to seperate by horsepower to weight ratio.

[cacwyo]

couldn't agree more. this car is not what I imagine when I think of any thing that might resemble pro-touring. I find it some what irritating.

[Rick D]

I won't get into the what's pro-touring that's for sure! But I bet you can't build that car for what he wants including labor!!