Why are people throwing a minitub and tires and calling it a pro touring?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Originally Posted by skatinjay27

yeah ive never been fond of the definition debate...
but there are a couple truths i stick too:

i believe there is no set of "rules" to building a pro-touring car BUT the equivalent to the all american blonde hair blue eyed quarterback stud would be a primary color 69 CAMARO with all dse suspension, leather int,sound system,AC,big brakes, forged wheels and cup holders!

2nd-a late model car can NOT be pro-touring! if you modify you late model corvette,camaro, or mustang it just becomes a modified modern sports car.

and the most important !
if dave gordon wants, owns or loves it... its a race car and not Pro-touring

can't add anymore to that....but no cup holders = not pro-touring. LOL

[DFRESH]

Originally Posted by FETorino

I thought Pro Touring meant lowered first gen Camaro, did something change?

LOL--same here

[DFRESH]

I can't believe no one has used the phrase "I know at PT car when I see it" yet.

The evolution of this hobby is likely to see the same trend that happened in Heads Up Drag Racing--I think Blake and Brett touched on it well. Started off with a solid group of guys that gained a great amount of interest over the first couple of years. Competition got stiffer, bigger motors and better suspensions were on deck. Not long after, sponsors started to make their presence known. Then purpose built cars came along--no more 30 mile cruise to somehow validate them as a street car. Different classes--which means you have cars that are outta reach for the normal guy to build and be competitive so they have to put limits on them --cubic inch, power adders, tire sizes, etc. Once you have big name sponsors, the open wheel trailer crowd is the minortiy while toter homes and big rigs with crews become the group that the front part of the pits is reserved for. All that being said, the crowd loves the Pro Street and Outlaw cars--even though they are an easy 150k--and much more to get into. The core group of guys that started out, none of them were able to survive the cost of the evolution and remain competitive.

Not sure how our hobby/sport will follow along this path--but I have to say--if I guage it from the very first Optima event to this most recent one---we are on our way. Not saying it's bad---it is what it is.

I still say build what you like---I, for now, always want to be able to get in my car and drive it--and be able to attend track days and autocrosses. It's still about being with some of the greatest folks around and enjoying our common interests. It's easy to get caught up in all the competitive side, nicest looking, most power, etc--but i am only seeing a handful of people prosper from those things in this hobby/sport. I do, however, want to get a posi and rear disc's--call me a follower if you must. So to the guy that was worried about posting up his build thread, don't cave in because a guy has a different opinion about your suspension or what a PT car is--it will always be in flux--and the majority of people you will interact with at events and get togethers will share your same passion and desire to do more to their cars. Post up your build and join the community---you are bound to meet many great people on here. My wife still jokes with me that Todd, Dave, Rich, Rodger, Greg and lots of others have all been to our house, some of them stay with us when they are in town--and I met them all here on this site. Don't miss out on the good stuff because you have ladder bars---

D

[Ron in SoCal]

Can I stay at your house Dougie?

This has been discussed many times and I agree w your post entirely Doug. Build what you want and have FUN with it...

"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"

"If you aint cheatin', you aint trying hard enough"

"Rubbin's Racin"

As soon as you put a clock on it...this was bound to happen. Payton sold his car for a more track oriented build. Dave decided the racier side is where he wants to be. Just today, Payback is for sale.

Vendor's argue the merits of their parts in 'what should I buy threads'. Even gets nasty at times.

Builders keep their set-ups a 'secret'. That cracks me up. I'm gonna start calling that guy Danica.

Car's break and cameras are banned.

Just sayin'

I'm cool w a street car that's track capable. For now. Sure am glad for the true friends I've made here. My GF can't believe it. I can...

EDIT: If a double stacker shows up in VIP parking, I'm gonna egg it. Unless it belongs to Charlie or Weld...

[Flash68]

Great post Ronnie....

Doug -- yours was so-so.

[sokoloka]

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal

I'm cool w a street car that's track capable. For now. Sure am glad for the true friends I've made here. My GF can't believe it. I can...

I'm going to have to meet up with some of you guys when I move back to Carlsbad mid-September. Could just be my group of friends but the past 4 years I've been there were tough to find people with thoroughly similar interests and manias.

Look forward to moving back and getting my car done the most!

[67zo6Camaro]

Originally Posted by DFRESH

I can't believe no one has used the phrase "I know at PT car when I see it" yet.

The evolution of this hobby is likely to see the same trend that happened in Heads Up Drag Racing--I think Blake and Brett touched on it well. Started off with a solid group of guys that gained a great amount of interest over the first couple of years. Competition got stiffer, bigger motors and better suspensions were on deck. Not long after, sponsors started to make their presence known. Then purpose built cars came along--no more 30 mile cruise to somehow validate them as a street car. Different classes--which means you have cars that are outta reach for the normal guy to build and be competitive so they have to put limits on them --cubic inch, power adders, tire sizes, etc. Once you have big name sponsors, the open wheel trailer crowd is the minortiy while toter homes and big rigs with crews become the group that the front part of the pits is reserved for. All that being said, the crowd loves the Pro Street and Outlaw cars--even though they are an easy 150k--and much more to get into. The core group of guys that started out, none of them were able to survive the cost of the evolution and remain competitive.

Not sure how our hobby/sport will follow along this path--but I have to say--if I guage it from the very first Optima event to this most recent one---we are on our way. Not saying it's bad---it is what it is.

I still say build what you like---I, for now, always want to be able to get in my car and drive it--and be able to attend track days and autocrosses. It's still about being with some of the greatest folks around and enjoying our common interests. It's easy to get caught up in all the competitive side, nicest looking, most power, etc--but i am only seeing a handful of people prosper from those things in this hobby/sport. I do, however, want to get a posi and rear disc's--call me a follower if you must. So to the guy that was worried about posting up his build thread, don't cave in because a guy has a different opinion about your suspension or what a PT car is--it will always be in flux--and the majority of people you will interact with at events and get togethers will share your same passion and desire to do more to their cars. Post up your build and join the community---you are bound to meet many great people on here. My wife still jokes with me that Todd, Dave, Rich, Rodger, Greg and lots of others have all been to our house, some of them stay with us when they are in town--and I met them all here on this site. Don't miss out on the good stuff because you have ladder bars---

D

I will drink to that!

[bret]

You know who used to have ladder bars under what is now one of the fastest corner turning cars in the country?
Brian Finch!
I remember his first pass in that [then yellow] Camaro with the supercharged big block at our first Goodguys autocross in Nashville in 2006. He looked like a 15 year old on his first car date.
But he had fun. So much fun that he's worked on that damn car till it is now nearly untouchable.
And he's still having fun.

Have fun. Nobody cares if your car is fast, or even what it looks like. They care if you're a good guy and if you like to have fun.

[chr2002ca]

Originally Posted by DFRESH

I can't believe no one has used the phrase "I know at PT car when I see it" yet.

The evolution of this hobby is likely to see the same trend that happened in Heads Up Drag Racing--I think Blake and Brett touched on it well. Started off with a solid group of guys that gained a great amount of interest over the first couple of years. Competition got stiffer, bigger motors and better suspensions were on deck. Not long after, sponsors started to make their presence known. Then purpose built cars came along--no more 30 mile cruise to somehow validate them as a street car. Different classes--which means you have cars that are outta reach for the normal guy to build and be competitive so they have to put limits on them --cubic inch, power adders, tire sizes, etc. Once you have big name sponsors, the open wheel trailer crowd is the minortiy while toter homes and big rigs with crews become the group that the front part of the pits is reserved for. All that being said, the crowd loves the Pro Street and Outlaw cars--even though they are an easy 150k--and much more to get into. The core group of guys that started out, none of them were able to survive the cost of the evolution and remain competitive.

Not sure how our hobby/sport will follow along this path--but I have to say--if I guage it from the very first Optima event to this most recent one---we are on our way. Not saying it's bad---it is what it is.

I still say build what you like---I, for now, always want to be able to get in my car and drive it--and be able to attend track days and autocrosses. It's still about being with some of the greatest folks around and enjoying our common interests. It's easy to get caught up in all the competitive side, nicest looking, most power, etc--but i am only seeing a handful of people prosper from those things in this hobby/sport. I do, however, want to get a posi and rear disc's--call me a follower if you must. So to the guy that was worried about posting up his build thread, don't cave in because a guy has a different opinion about your suspension or what a PT car is--it will always be in flux--and the majority of people you will interact with at events and get togethers will share your same passion and desire to do more to their cars. Post up your build and join the community---you are bound to meet many great people on here. My wife still jokes with me that Todd, Dave, Rich, Rodger, Greg and lots of others have all been to our house, some of them stay with us when they are in town--and I met them all here on this site. Don't miss out on the good stuff because you have ladder bars---

D

That's dead on the money Doug. I could not agree more.

In the title of the thread, it says "throwing on some tubs". That must be one accurate friggin' throw because last time I looked, putting on tubs is not a simple process. I investigated everything I'd have to cut up and modify to put some on and bailed on that idea. A $300 part with $3000 worth of labor. Then there's all the new rear suspension and gas tank parts to purchase to make use out of them. Not a simple modification. Whoever has done it has earned some pro-touring praise in my book.

[Spiffav8]

Originally Posted by Flash68

Oh brother not again.....

With the links intocars posted I think you're safe.